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<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 3055069" data-attributes="member: 15538">LarinsDad, I disagree about your interpretation of the &quot;RAW.&quot; I see no reason the ability would not apply against nonlethal damage in the first place. Why? I think ability damage comforable falls into the same category as spell effects and massive damage. That is, sources of damage other than attacks.Nonlethal damage is a special case, is all. I don't see any reason it should bypass Deathless Frenzy any more than it should DR. Let's compare two sentences from the SRD:Damage Reduction (Ex or Su): A creature with this special quality ignores damage from most weapons and natural attacks. Dealing Nonlethal Damage: Certain attacks deal nonlethal damage. Other effects, such as heat or being exhausted, also deal nonlethal damage. When you take nonlethal damage, keep a running total of how much you’ve accumulated. Do not deduct the nonlethal damage number from your current hit points. It is not “real” damage. Now, since nonlethal damage isn't &quot;real&quot; damage, DR shouldn't help you, right? Or are you willing to consider nonlethal a special case of doing damage, with special provisions, rather than a different kind of damage, that, for instance, deathless frenzy does not ignore?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 3055069, member: 15538"] LarinsDad, I disagree about your interpretation of the "RAW." I see no reason the ability would not apply against nonlethal damage in the first place. Why? I think ability damage comforable falls into the same category as spell effects and massive damage. That is, sources of damage other than attacks. Nonlethal damage is a special case, is all. I don't see any reason it should bypass Deathless Frenzy any more than it should DR. Let's compare two sentences from the SRD: [i]Damage Reduction (Ex or Su): A creature with this special quality ignores damage from most weapons and natural attacks. [/i] [i]Dealing Nonlethal Damage: Certain attacks deal nonlethal damage. Other effects, such as heat or being exhausted, also deal nonlethal damage. When you take nonlethal damage, keep a running total of how much you’ve accumulated. Do not deduct the nonlethal damage number from your current hit points. It is not “real” damage. [/i] Now, since nonlethal damage isn't "real" damage, DR shouldn't help you, right? Or are you willing to consider nonlethal a special case of doing damage, with special provisions, rather than a different kind of damage, that, for instance, deathless frenzy does not ignore? [/QUOTE]

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