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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3055163" data-attributes="member: 1656">To summarise:I can accept a position that states:Deathless Frenzy permits a Frenzied Berserker to scorn death or unconsciousness under all circumstances, with the exceptions of a/ death from massive damage, and b/ death from a spell effect such as slay living or disintegrate.&nbsp; This means that the Berserker can scorn unconsciousness from Int, Wis, or Cha damage; from non-lethal damage; from spells like Scintillating Pattern (assuming there's a spell that can cause unconsciousness in a 10 HD creature); and death from Con damage.I can accept a position that states:Deathless Frenzy permits a Frenzied Berserker to scorn death or unconsciousness resulting from a hit point total of 0, -1 to -9, or -10 or less.&nbsp; Death or unconsciousness resulting from anything else affects the Berserker as normal.But I can't accept that a position somewhere in between can be considered a self-consistent interpretation.&nbsp; Either the first sentence is globally applicable except for the specified exceptions, or it is descriptive of the specified situations.&nbsp; But there's no consistency to a claim that it describes the specified situations plus some other stuff that isn't hinted at, and that it is ignored by the specified exceptions plus some other stuff that isn't listed.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3055163, member: 1656"] To summarise: I can accept a position that states: Deathless Frenzy permits a Frenzied Berserker to scorn death or unconsciousness under [i]all circumstances[/i], with the exceptions of a/ death from massive damage, and b/ death from a spell effect such as slay living or disintegrate. This means that the Berserker can scorn unconsciousness from Int, Wis, or Cha damage; from non-lethal damage; from spells like Scintillating Pattern (assuming there's a spell that can cause unconsciousness in a 10 HD creature); and death from Con damage. I can accept a position that states: Deathless Frenzy permits a Frenzied Berserker to scorn death or unconsciousness resulting from a hit point total of 0, -1 to -9, or -10 or less. Death or unconsciousness resulting from anything else affects the Berserker as normal. But I can't accept that a position somewhere in between can be considered a self-consistent interpretation. Either the first sentence is globally applicable except for the specified exceptions, or it is descriptive of the specified situations. But there's no consistency to a claim that it describes the specified situations plus some other stuff that isn't hinted at, and that it is ignored by the specified exceptions plus some other stuff that isn't listed. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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