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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Riley37" data-source="post: 6572223" data-attributes="member: 6786839">Okay, back to spells and spellcasting. Is Hypnotic Pattern a junk, useless spell?Or might it be useful to take a swarm of minions out of a fight, while laying all the firepower on the boss?If there were a version of Hypnotic Pattern which only affected one target, and only worked on humanoids, but didn't require Concentration and only expended a first-level spell slot, would THAT be a junk, useless spell?Or might it sometimes be useful to prevent the boss from attacking you, so that instead it can only attack your front-rank tank allies, while you and those allies lay all the firepower on the swarm of minions?In non-battle situations: get someone alone, or cast Charm Person on them from concealment (from an alley, or from the KITCHEN of the tavern if you can get LOS to the main room, or as the spell which breaks Invisibility). Ask them questions, or ask them for favors, as a friendly acquaintance. Before the hour ends... well, get a new disguise, or kill them, or leave town, or any of MANY other ways to resolve the issue of "they might object to having been charmed". If you can't think of any way to pull off that sort of dirty tricks, then yes, Charm Person is a junk spell.If you can, however, think of situations in which you could cast a spell on someone, out of combat, WITHOUT already being face-to-face with them, then Charm Person as a first-level spell kinda terrifies me.Fortunately, it takes a third-level sorceror to cast Suggestion as a Subtle spell. Whew.</blockquote>

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