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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 1653820" data-attributes="member: 141">Grim Tales doesn't, but Upper Krust does.Though Upper Krust begins with the assumption that 1 character level = 1 CR, he ends up inflating it. He gets the average value of a character level to be equal to 1.15 CR; he also includes modifiers for having above average ability scores (higher than 10.5).  And really, what player character has ability scores that aren't significantly higher than 10.5?Suppose you use a 28 point buy to purchase a character with ability scores 16, 14, 14, 12, 10 and 10.  That's an average of 12.6, so its +2.1 CR over the base value of level x 1.15.  At 6th level the CR would be 9.0 (6*1.15+2.1).  Treating the character as CR 6 is equivalent to multiplying its UK calculated CR by 2/3.  To be fair you have to multiply the opponent's CR by 2/3 as well.Higher level characters will typically have a higher point buy.  A 9th level character with 32 point buy (16, 14, 14, 14, 12 and 10, say) might have a +2.8 CR from ability scores, and thus a base CR of (9*1.15+2.8) = 13.15. To treat such a character as CR 9 is equivalent to multiplying by 2/3 (actually 0.684). To be fair you need to multiply the opponent's CR by 2/3 as well.At higher levels you end up discounting opponents too much if you use the 2/3 rule, and so don't award quite as much experience, and might slay a character a trifle more often than expected.  At 20th level (with 32 point buy) you might award only 3/4 the correct experience; hardly game-breaking.The system will begin to break down at very high levels- if you are 250th level you might want to calculate the character's CR according to UK's calculation, and not just assume it is CR 250.  But as I have absolutely no experience talking about those levels, I'm just going to shut up.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />So I would accept the 2/3 rule as a good generalization for countering UKs inflation in CR scores; since he inflates the value of characters about as much as monsters there is going to be very little noticeable game effect from doing so.</blockquote>

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