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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 269859" data-attributes="member: 2067">Want some stubtle magic without underpowering the magic-using classes?There's a few ways, most of them already in the rules...1) Use the Bard class. Their spell list never gets extremely powerful or flashy...they make up for it in other ways. Get rid of the nancy-pants song and dance flavor, and replace it with the learned old men of yore; perhaps instead of ranks in Perform you need ranks in Knowledge (arcana) to create the effects, and you don't need to sing or anything...just chant words of power. If you want to give them a bit more, take away all the "bardic music" abilities and make their magic "divine." bada-bing, you've got armored spellcasters. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />2) Take a look at the Psion. This woud probably be a bit easier to make into a low-magic alternative than the wizard. Maybe make the Witch's spell list psionic powers, and keep the psoinic advancement. Also allows them to damage you physically with mind tricks...maybe dismiss the nonpsion damage barrier thingy that stops psionic attacks and defenses from actually *doing* anything.There's some brainstorms for ya. The Bard, especially, is rapable. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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