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Message: <blockquote data-quote="porpentine" data-source="post: 4935923" data-attributes="member: 85339">Getting off-topic, but as a disturbing eg of PF creation:To create a Pearl of Power in PF would require a DC22 Spellcraft check, a bit of gold, a feat, and (a special requirement), ability to cast spells of the appropriate level. It is an unusually tricky creation. (But possibly not at hard as you suggest, Stalker - you don't have to be CL 17 yourself. This has always been confusing and still is).So, 3rd level Elven Wizard, 18 Int: he has Craft Wondrous and - because he's a dedicated crafter - Focus (Spellcraft). So already he has a Spellcraft of 13. First he makes a Headband of Vast Intelligence+2 (2000gp, Spellcraft DC13 - autosuccess unless a 1 fails, haven't checked). Now he has 20 Int and Spellcraft 14. A Pearl of Power II is still a gamble, but even at 3rd he can make it with 2000gp and an 8+. Fortunately for the DM, his expected wealth is 3000 at 3rd, so he has to wait until 4th, when he succeeds on a 7+. At that level he also makes a Handy Haversack (dc19 if he ignores the requirement for the Secret Chest spell; his Spellcraft is 15, so that's what he does - it only costs 1000gp a shot). He stuffs the Haversack full of scrolls, and is already a walking powerhouse with Int 21, scrolls of everything (move action to retrieve), and probably a pearl, as well as a super-Pearl in his bonded item.At 7th he makes a +4 Headband for 8000gp (dc a nonissue), bringing his Int to 23 and his Spellcraft to 19. His expected wealth is 23,500, so he also enchants his Bonded ring. He doesn't even need a feat for this (though he does need to be 7th level). He makes it a Ring of Counterspells (dc19 if he ignores the need for Imbue With Spell Ability: gp cost is 2000gp) which again is a nonissue. He casts Dispel Magic into the ring.At 10th he has an expected wealth of 62k. He creates a +6 Headband for 16k. He now has an Int of 26, and Skill Focus gives him +6: his Spellcraft is 27. He crafts a Cloak of Etherealness (27.5k, dc25 if he ignores the spell requirement). Unless the DM is being tough (as he has to be) the wizard sells his old headbands and whatnot and invests in something else major - really the world is his oyster. Wondrous items are like a second spell list for him now.Not so hard, eh?To my mind it's actually way too easy. For an inexperienced DM, this stuff is a nightmare. Note that the Pearl is unusually tough - many items are much easier. Crafting magic items can easily become game-breaking.I wish it was harder in PF, but it isn't. Since it's harder to buy magic items in the Pathfinder world, shouldn't it be harder to make them? In most cases, though, the DC is almost pointless. On top of that you can use Craft skills as creation feats in PF (edit: actually no; see below), and ignore requirements by hiking the DC, and wizards are enchanting their bonded items without even a feat investment (though since that's one non-sellable item, it's not such a big deal).</blockquote>

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