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<blockquote data-quote="Veltharis ap Rylix" data-source="post: 9348696" data-attributes="member: 66357"><p>Pre-4e succubi were demons, 4e made them devils (as part of 4e's cosmology overhaul), then 5e split the difference and made them an independent, "any evil" type of fiend, presumably to keep from invalidating as much as possible of what they had previously written on the subject.</p><p></p><p>They probably did the best that they could without completely throwing everything from the 4e era into the bin, I'm just something of a planar lore enthusiast and I've never liked how 4e shoehorned a devil connection into Graz'zt/Malcanthet's backstories, and the fact that those connections have, at least implicitly, been retained through 5e rubs me the wrong way.</p><p></p><p>Though, as much as anything, that may just be a matter of them not having done a proper deep lore dive on the demon lords in question, yet. Sooner or later, I expect we'll get a fiend-focused book, a la Fizban's and Bigby's...</p><p></p><p>Heck, go Fiendish Codex style and give us two: Iggwilv's Demonomicon and Elminster's Guide to the Nine Hells. Or even three - give Shemeska the opportunity to write about yugoloths again.</p><p></p><p>Do it, WotC!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Veltharis ap Rylix, post: 9348696, member: 66357"] Pre-4e succubi were demons, 4e made them devils (as part of 4e's cosmology overhaul), then 5e split the difference and made them an independent, "any evil" type of fiend, presumably to keep from invalidating as much as possible of what they had previously written on the subject. They probably did the best that they could without completely throwing everything from the 4e era into the bin, I'm just something of a planar lore enthusiast and I've never liked how 4e shoehorned a devil connection into Graz'zt/Malcanthet's backstories, and the fact that those connections have, at least implicitly, been retained through 5e rubs me the wrong way. Though, as much as anything, that may just be a matter of them not having done a proper deep lore dive on the demon lords in question, yet. Sooner or later, I expect we'll get a fiend-focused book, a la Fizban's and Bigby's... Heck, go Fiendish Codex style and give us two: Iggwilv's Demonomicon and Elminster's Guide to the Nine Hells. Or even three - give Shemeska the opportunity to write about yugoloths again. Do it, WotC! [/QUOTE]
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