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<blockquote data-quote="James McMurray" data-source="post: 1327052" data-attributes="member: 743"><p>How does being able to dish out the same amount of damage not matter when there's only one fight per day? The second half of my statement may not matter, but it certainly doesn't invalidate the first.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Whenever he wants to mke a fight that will last longer than one round? It may not make an epic fight if it ends in to rounds, but generally that seond fireball won't be sent in, because the mooks will be in melee with the wizard's friends. Guys that would have died to a single spell now take a spel and one or two hits to drop. Seems a bit closer to an exciting fight to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If the extra spell slot feat gave you the ability to duplicate effects generally only doable by someone 6 levels higher than you without the need to expend a higher level spell slot, your statement might actually mean something. But a free metamagic feat 1/day is much better than a free spell slot.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A potion of dispel magic??? And you don't get a save when someone casts silence next to you, not on you. With a twenty foot radius, you've just ruined that spellcaster's day.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry I mangled my quote. It should hve said "what's attainable". When you are 7th level, a silent 4th level spell (for instance a dimension door to escape a pin) is not attainable. With the sudden metamagic feat, it is attainable. Thus your statement doesn't hold, as the feats are obviously different from what would normally be attainable by that character.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sudden metamagic is by no means a minor benefit. Ask around, you'll find plenty of people who will tell you that the incantatrix is broken not because of the much-touted Improved Metamagic, but because of the Instant Metamagic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James McMurray, post: 1327052, member: 743"] How does being able to dish out the same amount of damage not matter when there's only one fight per day? The second half of my statement may not matter, but it certainly doesn't invalidate the first. Whenever he wants to mke a fight that will last longer than one round? It may not make an epic fight if it ends in to rounds, but generally that seond fireball won't be sent in, because the mooks will be in melee with the wizard's friends. Guys that would have died to a single spell now take a spel and one or two hits to drop. Seems a bit closer to an exciting fight to me. If the extra spell slot feat gave you the ability to duplicate effects generally only doable by someone 6 levels higher than you without the need to expend a higher level spell slot, your statement might actually mean something. But a free metamagic feat 1/day is much better than a free spell slot. A potion of dispel magic??? And you don't get a save when someone casts silence next to you, not on you. With a twenty foot radius, you've just ruined that spellcaster's day. Sorry I mangled my quote. It should hve said "what's attainable". When you are 7th level, a silent 4th level spell (for instance a dimension door to escape a pin) is not attainable. With the sudden metamagic feat, it is attainable. Thus your statement doesn't hold, as the feats are obviously different from what would normally be attainable by that character. Sudden metamagic is by no means a minor benefit. Ask around, you'll find plenty of people who will tell you that the incantatrix is broken not because of the much-touted Improved Metamagic, but because of the Instant Metamagic. [/QUOTE]
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