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<blockquote data-quote="Kershek" data-source="post: 1943003" data-attributes="member: 2900"><p>The feats are way too strong, even for once per day. For instance, a first level human wizard can get Sudden Maximize. At 5th level he can do 30 damage in a 20-ft radius with a <em>fireball</em>. An 8th level wizard could do an automatic hit magic missile once per day at 25 damage using up only a 1st level slot. Or perhaps empower it to do 37 auto-hit damage using a 3rd level slot. At 9th, it turns into 54 damage either with <em>fireball</em> or <em>cone of cold. </em>Then there's <em>cloudkill</em> at 9th level doing 4 constitution damage PER ROUND while they're in the cloud. At 11th level, you could cast a <em>disintegrate</em> that does a whopping 131 damage. Or, with Energy Admixture from Tome and Blood, a 14th level caster could cast an acid cone of cold that does 168 damage (84 cold AND 84 acid) in a 60 foot cone! Can you imagine empowering that to 252 damage with a Rod of Empower (well within a 14th level wealth range)? Remember, this caster can do this stuff once per day with no pre-prep or level adjustment!</p><p> </p><p>Or, perhaps you're a druid casting <em>call lightning</em> at 5th level and doing 18 damage per round for 5 rounds, or 30 damage per round if the weather is right.</p><p> </p><p>I think that they should, at a minimum, put in a prerequisite that you cannot cast a spell with Sudden Maximize (or other Sudden spell) without being high enough level to prepare it with that metamagic feat normally. Therefore, that wizard would have to wait until 20th level to do his 252 damage from that acid cone of cold empowered by his rod.</p><p> </p><p>I'm sure I'm not even thinking of the best ways to min-max it, either.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kershek, post: 1943003, member: 2900"] The feats are way too strong, even for once per day. For instance, a first level human wizard can get Sudden Maximize. At 5th level he can do 30 damage in a 20-ft radius with a [i]fireball[/i]. An 8th level wizard could do an automatic hit magic missile once per day at 25 damage using up only a 1st level slot. Or perhaps empower it to do 37 auto-hit damage using a 3rd level slot. At 9th, it turns into 54 damage either with [i]fireball[/i] or [i]cone of cold. [/i]Then there's [i]cloudkill[/i] at 9th level doing 4 constitution damage PER ROUND while they're in the cloud. At 11th level, you could cast a [i]disintegrate[/i] that does a whopping 131 damage. Or, with Energy Admixture from Tome and Blood, a 14th level caster could cast an acid cone of cold that does 168 damage (84 cold AND 84 acid) in a 60 foot cone! Can you imagine empowering that to 252 damage with a Rod of Empower (well within a 14th level wealth range)? Remember, this caster can do this stuff once per day with no pre-prep or level adjustment! Or, perhaps you're a druid casting [i]call lightning[/i] at 5th level and doing 18 damage per round for 5 rounds, or 30 damage per round if the weather is right. I think that they should, at a minimum, put in a prerequisite that you cannot cast a spell with Sudden Maximize (or other Sudden spell) without being high enough level to prepare it with that metamagic feat normally. Therefore, that wizard would have to wait until 20th level to do his 252 damage from that acid cone of cold empowered by his rod. I'm sure I'm not even thinking of the best ways to min-max it, either. [/QUOTE]
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