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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Silverglass" data-source="post: 1577267" data-attributes="member: 14071">I don't like it, it really just makes the half-ogre just as unplayable as it may be with the current adjustments.I will have a think and try and suggest something else. One major this is that something that gives an LA+2 with no racial HD can quite reasonable be put down to an LA of +1 with 2 racial HD. Because most Racial HD are inferior to character levels you can offset some of the bonuses against these.I had a very long and hard look at this and I think I have found ways to balance the race out. The main overpowering point is the +6 STR, that really makes a huge difference especially at low levels. As we have made our Half-Ogres Medium I do not think that we need to go higher than +4 STR (which still means a starting 20-22 STR is very possible.If you want an ECL +1 playable race then I would suggest the following,Giant Blood (Ex): For all special abilities and effects, a half-ogre is considered a giant. Half-ogres can use magic items with racially specific powers as giants. (this is actually a very minor penalty as the only real effect is that they would be affected by giant-bane weapons).Darkvision (Ex): The half-ogre has darkvision to a range of 60’.Ability Adjustments: +4 Strength, -2 Dexterity, +4 Constitution, -4 Intelligence, -2 Charisma. Half-ogres are as strong as an ox and about as smart as one. They are also slow and ugly.Armor Class: Half-ogres are naturally tough and gain a +2 natural armor bonus.Automatic Languages: Common or GiantSize: MediumFavored Class: Barbarian Level Adjustment +1Over an above a Half-Orc the Half-Ogre gets +2 STR, +2 CON, -2 DEX, -2 INT and +2 Natural Armour. That seems a reasonable LA.If you want an ECL +2 Race I would suggest.+4 Strength, –2 Dexterity, +4 Constitution, –4 Intelligence, –2 Charisma.Darkvision out to 60 feet.Racial Hit Dice: An half-ogre begins with one level of giant, which provide 1d8 Hit Dice, a base attack bonus of +1, and base saving throw bonuses of Fort +2, Ref +0, and Will +0. Racial Skills: An half-ogre’s giant levels give it skill points equal to 4 x (2 + Int modifier, minimum 1). Its class skills are Climb, Listen, and Spot. (this is a nice penalty as the bonus skill points are forced into such a limited set).Racial Feats: An half-ogre’s giant levels give it one feat.Weapon and Armor Proficiency: An half-ogre is automatically proficient with simple weapons, martial weapons, light and medium armor, and shields.+2 natural armor bonus.Favored Class: Barbarian.Level adjustment +1.Either of these two options I would be happy to play without feeling I was overpowering combat or too weak to take damage.</blockquote>

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