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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5914527" data-attributes="member: 6669384"><p>First, I never said that all my costs were in labor. I was just addressing the labor portion of the costs.</p><p></p><p>So, other than just saying "all your math is wrong", why not show what's wrong?</p><p></p><p>Per the Lyre write up, "The effect produced in but 30 minutes of playing is equal to the work of 100 humans laboring for three days."</p><p></p><p>That's three hundred man-days per half hour.</p><p></p><p>16 half hours in an eight hour day.</p><p></p><p>16 x 300 = 4,800 man days of labor per day of play. And, oddly, the rules don't actually include any exhaustion effects for playing a musical instrument.</p><p></p><p>So if two man days costs one gold for the skilled laborer and one silver for the unskilled laborer, a single man day would be 0.55 gold, on average.</p><p></p><p>0.55 x 4,800 = 2,640 </p><p></p><p>That's how many gold pieces it would cost to hire 4,800 men for a day, or 1,600 for three days.</p><p></p><p>5 days/weeks of performances times 2,640 = 13,200, more than enough to buy the Lyre and pay the minstrel his 35 gold. Hell, quadruple his salary and give him a bonus and you're still ahead.</p><p></p><p>Now, show me where my math is wrong. Point to the line that's wrong, please.</p><p></p><p>Are there other costs? Sure. Wood, stone, sand and gravel, haulage, iron bolts and struts, torch sconces and chandeliers, all sorts of things. And those costs don't change, but since we aren't talking about them, who cares? </p><p></p><p>Presuming a project or series of projects large enough to actually require that kind of work force, the Lyre is a damned fine investment. One that pays for itself in about five performances.</p><p></p><p><EDIT>I think I see where our figures go their separate ways: You're presuming that a skilled craftsman makes three silver a day, and that an unskilled assistant makes one. May I ask where you got those figures? That may be the root of the problem.</EDIT></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 5914527, member: 6669384"] First, I never said that all my costs were in labor. I was just addressing the labor portion of the costs. So, other than just saying "all your math is wrong", why not show what's wrong? Per the Lyre write up, "The effect produced in but 30 minutes of playing is equal to the work of 100 humans laboring for three days." That's three hundred man-days per half hour. 16 half hours in an eight hour day. 16 x 300 = 4,800 man days of labor per day of play. And, oddly, the rules don't actually include any exhaustion effects for playing a musical instrument. So if two man days costs one gold for the skilled laborer and one silver for the unskilled laborer, a single man day would be 0.55 gold, on average. 0.55 x 4,800 = 2,640 That's how many gold pieces it would cost to hire 4,800 men for a day, or 1,600 for three days. 5 days/weeks of performances times 2,640 = 13,200, more than enough to buy the Lyre and pay the minstrel his 35 gold. Hell, quadruple his salary and give him a bonus and you're still ahead. Now, show me where my math is wrong. Point to the line that's wrong, please. Are there other costs? Sure. Wood, stone, sand and gravel, haulage, iron bolts and struts, torch sconces and chandeliers, all sorts of things. And those costs don't change, but since we aren't talking about them, who cares? Presuming a project or series of projects large enough to actually require that kind of work force, the Lyre is a damned fine investment. One that pays for itself in about five performances. <EDIT>I think I see where our figures go their separate ways: You're presuming that a skilled craftsman makes three silver a day, and that an unskilled assistant makes one. May I ask where you got those figures? That may be the root of the problem.</EDIT> [/QUOTE]
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