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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8060219" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>Firstly the Aboleth and only the Aboleth, can communicate telepathically. The <em>PC</em> (unless he has some special ability to do so), can not.</p><p></p><p><strong>[EXCERPT]Telepathy[/EXCERPT]</strong>[EXCERPT] Telepathy is a magical ability that allows a monster to communicate mentally with another creature within a specified range. The contacted creature doesn't need to share a language with the monster to communicate in this way with it, but it must be able to understand at least one language<strong>. A creature without telepathy can receive and respond to telepathic messages but can't initiate or terminate a telepathic conversation. </strong>[/EXCERPT]</p><p></p><p>The PC is limited to <em>receiving </em>and <em>responding </em>to telepathic messages; unless 'f**k off' was a direct response to a telepathic message sent by the Aboleth, he cant communicate it to the Aboleth at all.</p><p></p><p>Additionally the Suggestion spell states:</p><p></p><p>[EXCERPT]''You suggest a course of activity (limited to a sentence or two) and magically influence a creature <strong><u>you can see within range that can hear and understand you. ''</u></strong>[/EXCERPT]</p><p></p><p>So all the following need to be true:</p><p></p><p>1) Can the PC <strong><u>see </u></strong>the Aboleth?</p><p>2) Is the Aboleth within 30' (<strong><u>range </u></strong>of the spell)?</p><p>3) Can the Aboleth <strong><u>hear </u></strong>the PC?</p><p>4) If the above 3 conditions are all met, can it <strong><u>understand </u></strong>the PC?</p><p></p><p>I presume the Aboleth was within 30' of the PC, and the PC could <strong><u>see </u></strong>the Aboleth (it wasnt lurking at the bottom of its lake). Seeing as the Aboleth knows the PCs desires (and in order to do so, it must also be able to <strong><u>see </u></strong>the PC) so, I'll assume those two conditions were met.</p><p></p><p>The next question is 'can the Aboleth <em>hear </em>and <em>understand</em>' the PC?</p><p></p><p>At no stage does the Aboleth <em><u>hear </u></em>the PC. Hearing is a specific sense using the ears. If the PC understood Deep Speech (and could speak it) the spell would work. In this case, they dont know Deep Speech (and the Aboleth doesnt understand any other language from the PC) so it officially doesnt work.</p><p></p><p>Before you say 'that sounds crazy', a PC communicating a <em>Suggestion </em>spell with Drow sign language (to a target that can understand that language) also could not use that Drow sign language for that <em>Suggestion</em> spell. The target is not <em><u>hearing </u></em>the Suggestion (even though they understand it just fine).</p><p></p><p>Nothing in the telepathy ability states it 'counts as' hearing either, unlike Blindsight and vision, which specifically overrides seeing without eyes.</p><p></p><p>You could rule Telepathy 'counts as' hearing. But as far as the Rules are concerned, the spell should not have worked.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 8060219, member: 6788736"] Firstly the Aboleth and only the Aboleth, can communicate telepathically. The [I]PC[/I] (unless he has some special ability to do so), can not. [B][EXCERPT]Telepathy[/EXCERPT][/B][EXCERPT] Telepathy is a magical ability that allows a monster to communicate mentally with another creature within a specified range. The contacted creature doesn't need to share a language with the monster to communicate in this way with it, but it must be able to understand at least one language[B]. A creature without telepathy can receive and respond to telepathic messages but can't initiate or terminate a telepathic conversation. [/B][/EXCERPT] The PC is limited to [I]receiving [/I]and [I]responding [/I]to telepathic messages; unless 'f**k off' was a direct response to a telepathic message sent by the Aboleth, he cant communicate it to the Aboleth at all. Additionally the Suggestion spell states: [EXCERPT]''You suggest a course of activity (limited to a sentence or two) and magically influence a creature [B][U]you can see within range that can hear and understand you. ''[/U][/B][/EXCERPT] So all the following need to be true: 1) Can the PC [B][U]see [/U][/B]the Aboleth? 2) Is the Aboleth within 30' ([B][U]range [/U][/B]of the spell)? 3) Can the Aboleth [B][U]hear [/U][/B]the PC? 4) If the above 3 conditions are all met, can it [B][U]understand [/U][/B]the PC? I presume the Aboleth was within 30' of the PC, and the PC could [B][U]see [/U][/B]the Aboleth (it wasnt lurking at the bottom of its lake). Seeing as the Aboleth knows the PCs desires (and in order to do so, it must also be able to [B][U]see [/U][/B]the PC) so, I'll assume those two conditions were met. The next question is 'can the Aboleth [I]hear [/I]and [I]understand[/I]' the PC? At no stage does the Aboleth [I][U]hear [/U][/I]the PC. Hearing is a specific sense using the ears. If the PC understood Deep Speech (and could speak it) the spell would work. In this case, they dont know Deep Speech (and the Aboleth doesnt understand any other language from the PC) so it officially doesnt work. Before you say 'that sounds crazy', a PC communicating a [I]Suggestion [/I]spell with Drow sign language (to a target that can understand that language) also could not use that Drow sign language for that [I]Suggestion[/I] spell. The target is not [I][U]hearing [/U][/I]the Suggestion (even though they understand it just fine). Nothing in the telepathy ability states it 'counts as' hearing either, unlike Blindsight and vision, which specifically overrides seeing without eyes. You could rule Telepathy 'counts as' hearing. But as far as the Rules are concerned, the spell should not have worked. [/QUOTE]
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