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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6690228" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I'm afraid I don't have the brain for presenting creative uses of it at this moment, but I can definitely say that sentence doesn't look like it would work in most cases. From the description of Suggestion, emphasis added:Thus, we can clearly see two important criteria for the Suggestion to work:1. The phrasing (but not necessarily the effect) of the action must sound reasonable to the target--not just to the caster.2. The action itself cannot be obviously harmful to the target."Betray and kill your allies" is rather baldly unreasonable. They're my allies! My friends! Why on earth would I want to betray and kill them?! So that specific wording can't fly. Similarly, killing your allies...when people are currently running at you with sharp objects, battle cries, and spellcasting...sounds like a pretty obviously harmful action to take. Given that this spell only allows a single save, and the target must carry out the suggestion as long as the duration continues, it seems fairly clear to me that we should take a broad interpretation of what counts as "obviously harmful."This is not to say that I think a suggestion like this would never work. For example, let's say you know your main enemy (a group of humans) has hired some dragonborn mercenaries to help them. Your advanced scout reports back to you that the humans have been treating the mercenaries like crap, despite the fact that they're well-trained and effective and have not been properly paid recently. When battle finally breaks out, your party gets lucky and manages to off the head of the human group, and hasn't actually killed any of the dragonborn yet.Then, you, the Wizard, cast Suggestion on the dragonborn commander: "These humans have dishonored you and failed to uphold their contract: leaving them to their fate is *justice,* not betrayal." And she fails her save."Alright you soft-scales, we've had enough of this *crap*--the deal's off, and we're outta here."It's certainly a type of betrayal, and it might require killing former "allies" to get out. However, it's not obviously harmful (in fact, it appears to be straightforwardly helpful) and it's phrased to appeal to perhaps-stereotypical dragonborn social values: justice, honor, pragmatism.</blockquote>

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