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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 1695285" data-attributes="member: 3146"><p>This interpretation makes it the equivalent of a 3rd level <em><strong>Really Limited Wish</strong></em>. Suggestion isn't a catch all spell that can duplicate the effect of any other spell of lower level. Suggestion is a powerful spell in its own right (as the examples in the spell description demonstrate--none of them could be accomplished by lower level spell).</p><p></p><p>Actually Really Limited Wish isn't a bad comparison. Like the Wish spells, Suggestion is an almost infinitely flexible spell. That flexibility, however, comes with a downside: it has to be reasonable.</p><p></p><p>A suggestion to run or depart from combat may be reasonable if:</p><p>1. Running or departing from combat is possible (to a foe who is surrounded or whose exit route is blocked cannot feasibly leave combat)</p><p>2. There is a clear reason to leave combat. If it looks likely that the target will be a casualty if he doesn't leave, or if the party's side does not seem to be doing well, it's reasonable. If the target is in no danger, it would have to be phrased differently--"give up the attack and let the others get some glory" could conceivably work on a foe who just killed two demons and is moving to kill a third.</p><p></p><p>A suggestion to ignore the caster because "there are more important/more dangerous foes" may be reasonable but it won't be if the caster has incinerated half of the target's allies with a fireball and is obviously dangerous. Nor does it continue to be reasonable if the caster attacks him.</p><p></p><p>A suggestion to close one's eyes in the midst of a battle will very very rarely be reasonable. If the caster is wearing a hood and a veil, then it might be reasonable to suggest: "Only medusas wear hoods and veils, close your eyes so you won't be turned to stone." </p><p></p><p>A suggestion: "Why don't you spend five full round actions laughing because your companion's incompetent swordsmanship is so funny" will almost never be reasonable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 1695285, member: 3146"] This interpretation makes it the equivalent of a 3rd level [i][b]Really Limited Wish[/b][/i][b][/b]. Suggestion isn't a catch all spell that can duplicate the effect of any other spell of lower level. Suggestion is a powerful spell in its own right (as the examples in the spell description demonstrate--none of them could be accomplished by lower level spell). Actually Really Limited Wish isn't a bad comparison. Like the Wish spells, Suggestion is an almost infinitely flexible spell. That flexibility, however, comes with a downside: it has to be reasonable. A suggestion to run or depart from combat may be reasonable if: 1. Running or departing from combat is possible (to a foe who is surrounded or whose exit route is blocked cannot feasibly leave combat) 2. There is a clear reason to leave combat. If it looks likely that the target will be a casualty if he doesn't leave, or if the party's side does not seem to be doing well, it's reasonable. If the target is in no danger, it would have to be phrased differently--"give up the attack and let the others get some glory" could conceivably work on a foe who just killed two demons and is moving to kill a third. A suggestion to ignore the caster because "there are more important/more dangerous foes" may be reasonable but it won't be if the caster has incinerated half of the target's allies with a fireball and is obviously dangerous. Nor does it continue to be reasonable if the caster attacks him. A suggestion to close one's eyes in the midst of a battle will very very rarely be reasonable. If the caster is wearing a hood and a veil, then it might be reasonable to suggest: "Only medusas wear hoods and veils, close your eyes so you won't be turned to stone." A suggestion: "Why don't you spend five full round actions laughing because your companion's incompetent swordsmanship is so funny" will almost never be reasonable. [/QUOTE]
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