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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ConcreteBuddha" data-source="post: 1861428" data-attributes="member: 3139">Spoilers ahead:1) Illustrate explicitly the power of the roper. By this point, most players are under the false assumption that they are supposed to defeat every encounter. (Since that is the only way to bypass anything in these modules. Except the kobolds in the Sunless Citadel.)My PCs, being newbies, had no idea that the roper was a far superior opponent. One of them even went so far as to insult the roper's mother. Needless to say, two PCs died while the rest fled.2) The black dragon, if played intellegently, is also a TPK. Superior swim speed + a breath weapon + a giant lake can slaughter most PCs easily. (Grappling! Ahhaha!) Melee characters really get the shaft in this encounter, as the dragon can hang back and attack the weakest characters first. That little ledge also makes matters worse, as the dragon can target each PC individually.</blockquote>