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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 1484885" data-attributes="member: 3146"><p>As a DM, I interpret reasonability very very strictly. Far too many players think it's dominate person on the cheap or Tasha's Hideous laughter with an hour/level duration or Sleep with no HD limit.</p><p></p><p>"Go to sleep" (generally not unless the creature is tired--certainly never in a battle or a hostile situation).</p><p>"Follow me and do exactly as I do" umm no. Why on earth would I do that?</p><p>"Close your eyes and do not move." Not a chance. There are people trying to kill me in here. And even if they weren't trying to kill me, why on earth would I want to?</p><p></p><p>On the other hand,</p><p>"Why throw your life away for money you won't live to spend? Join us and we will reward you better than your masters." If the creature isn't particularly loyal and is generally open to betraying people (for instance a drow or an orc), the party clearly has money, and is stronger than the guards, this is a perfectly reasonable suggestion.</p><p></p><p>"Apologize to the member of the inquisition immediately and don't mention heathen deities in his presence again." Quite reasonable (even if the person it's aimed at isn't reasonable). -4 penalty to the save as an especially reasonable suggestion.</p><p></p><p>"Your doom is upon you, flee that you might live!" Provided the party actually looks likely to win the battle and the foe has somewhere to flee to, this is a reasonable suggestion. If the party is clearly able to kill the particular foe this might even get the "particularly reasonable" saving throw penalty. I would, however, apply any special fear effect modifiers to saves. And I would treat the suggestion as fulfilled once the NPC reached a location that appeared safe. (So he won't do nothing but run away for 1 hour/level).</p><p></p><p>"Throw down your arms and surrender; we may yet let you live." Reasonable, provided that the PCs seem likely to take prisoners (if the fighter shouted "No Quarter!" at the start of the fight or if the Pholtan priest has his donkey dragging a portable bonfire on a cart, the victim gets a bonus for a less reasonable suggestion at the very least).</p><p></p><p>"Let us settle this honorably with a duel" Reasonable, provided the individual buys into the concepts of honor that support duelling under the circumstances. The example of the haughty knight instructed to give his horse to the next peasant supports this. (Such actions wouldn't normally be reasonable but, by identifying the suggestion victim as a knight, it indicates a strong possibility that he buys into the code of Christian Knighthood which--at least in Arthurian legend--sometimes called for such actions as a gesture of charity, piety, and/or humility. Thus, the knight's most likely worldview puts the action within the realm of conceivability).</p><p></p><p>"We have you over a barrel in these negotiations; double our pay or you will have no protection when the orcs come for you." Potentially reasonable if the circumstances are right. It wouldn't get someone to pay more than he could actually afford but might induce someone to pay more than he would otherwise be willing to pay. (Of course, when it wore off, he might well want to have the PCs killed for manipulating him like that).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 1484885, member: 3146"] As a DM, I interpret reasonability very very strictly. Far too many players think it's dominate person on the cheap or Tasha's Hideous laughter with an hour/level duration or Sleep with no HD limit. "Go to sleep" (generally not unless the creature is tired--certainly never in a battle or a hostile situation). "Follow me and do exactly as I do" umm no. Why on earth would I do that? "Close your eyes and do not move." Not a chance. There are people trying to kill me in here. And even if they weren't trying to kill me, why on earth would I want to? On the other hand, "Why throw your life away for money you won't live to spend? Join us and we will reward you better than your masters." If the creature isn't particularly loyal and is generally open to betraying people (for instance a drow or an orc), the party clearly has money, and is stronger than the guards, this is a perfectly reasonable suggestion. "Apologize to the member of the inquisition immediately and don't mention heathen deities in his presence again." Quite reasonable (even if the person it's aimed at isn't reasonable). -4 penalty to the save as an especially reasonable suggestion. "Your doom is upon you, flee that you might live!" Provided the party actually looks likely to win the battle and the foe has somewhere to flee to, this is a reasonable suggestion. If the party is clearly able to kill the particular foe this might even get the "particularly reasonable" saving throw penalty. I would, however, apply any special fear effect modifiers to saves. And I would treat the suggestion as fulfilled once the NPC reached a location that appeared safe. (So he won't do nothing but run away for 1 hour/level). "Throw down your arms and surrender; we may yet let you live." Reasonable, provided that the PCs seem likely to take prisoners (if the fighter shouted "No Quarter!" at the start of the fight or if the Pholtan priest has his donkey dragging a portable bonfire on a cart, the victim gets a bonus for a less reasonable suggestion at the very least). "Let us settle this honorably with a duel" Reasonable, provided the individual buys into the concepts of honor that support duelling under the circumstances. The example of the haughty knight instructed to give his horse to the next peasant supports this. (Such actions wouldn't normally be reasonable but, by identifying the suggestion victim as a knight, it indicates a strong possibility that he buys into the code of Christian Knighthood which--at least in Arthurian legend--sometimes called for such actions as a gesture of charity, piety, and/or humility. Thus, the knight's most likely worldview puts the action within the realm of conceivability). "We have you over a barrel in these negotiations; double our pay or you will have no protection when the orcs come for you." Potentially reasonable if the circumstances are right. It wouldn't get someone to pay more than he could actually afford but might induce someone to pay more than he would otherwise be willing to pay. (Of course, when it wore off, he might well want to have the PCs killed for manipulating him like that). [/QUOTE]
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