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Message: <blockquote data-quote="talien" data-source="post: 2377958" data-attributes="member: 3285">I've seen this problem before with living games and for the life of me I don't undersatnd it.  Or I should say, I don't share the distate for clerics (I'm playing one in our current Arcanis campaign).  I think the problem is how clerics are perceived.Here's how I play Quintus, a legionnaire: 1) he's a legionniare, not a cleric in his own mind.  He treats his divine gifts more likely superpowers, not as religious dogma, 2) his divine magic is tied to his standard (his spear), which he uses in battle as well.  He sees himself as a spiritual and military leader, not as a healer by any means. 3) and yet, he IS a healer and everybody misses him when he's not around.When Quintus it not around (because I'm DMing), our fihali druid and elven bard have to make up the difference.  It's not easy, but it can be done.I think people don't like the idea of being a support person.  Quintus' use of the longspear makes him ideal for being in the second row, where he can both cast spells and hit bad guys.  It works well.What I see, though, is too many people wanting to make all around survivor characters who can do well on their own without any assistance.  That is, they want lots of hit points and a high armor class, so they don't want to branch out into anything that might sap those two strong numbers.  Especially at low levels, this attitude seems common. But it's ridiculous.  Yes, sorcerers and wizards are weak at first, but they trade that off for ULTIMATE POWAH!  Clerics have a similar range...but ultimately, they are a class that's built to support others.  There's nothing wrong with that, but it takes a cooperative mentality for the group to do it.In short, if your group of PCs don't want to support it each other, it's likely there are other issues involving trust and competition that haven't quite gelled.  More experience gaming groups who have played together tend to accept clerics more easily, and groups that are higher level are more likely to have a cleric than lower level parties.</blockquote>

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