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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 1657522" data-attributes="member: 1210">I think the key is that epic level pcs have to go to epic level places, fight epic level bad guys, etc.  Standard dungeoneering against kobolds, giants or the like simply no longer yields xp.  Most locks are still DC 25; the higher-DC ones are in the legendary places.You want an epic level challenge?  Go find one.  You know where they are- you've heard of Orcus and Bel and the Tomb of Horrors.  You prolly have a very good idea of where Elminster lives.  Do a little research and go after the biggest diamond there is.A lot of what makes an epic game work is proactive pcs with ties to npcs and stuff in the game.  I find that there's an increasing level of roleplaying in my epic game- the pcs are building strongholds, etc.Remember- epic characters are the ones that will be remembered centuries later.  This is your Zagyg.  This is your Mordenkainen.  There should be schisms around their doctrine, kingdoms forged, cosmic entities overthrown.  And stuff.</blockquote>