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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pezagent" data-source="post: 1252457" data-attributes="member: 15568">Hi guys, I've been reading this thread over again (and over) and picking out bits, I can see that the priliminary discussion about "standards" usually revolves around the same universe.I've taken the opportunity to invite the participants (who registered emails) to the new group I've started at Yahoo! groups. I started this group because I was stuck in the mud at the other group started for d-20 XML.My main beef with these sort of things is that everybody has an idea, nobody has an application. In design, there needs to be a fairly good ratio of ideas to applications. When too many ideas get passed around the room nothing happens because action is not taken. This is true of any community input, or brainstorming scenereo. Of course, people aren't really brainstorming right now, because there's no project leader. And there's no project leader because there's no projects.The other beef I've been having is about XML/XSL/XSD in general. People seem to think they have a firm grasp of what XML is, or what XSL can do, but in reality, I'm finding that very few people who are tossing around these ideas of creating standards aren't really aware of how these tools work. The recommendations that were put forth by the original d-20 group memebers is, IMO, totally useless, superfluous, and considers nothing about real-world applications and everything about make-believe applications. So it is imperative that anyone wishing to go beyond the idea stage not only grasp the concepts behind how XML/XSL/XSD work together, but also start using them.Not only should one know about how the XML "system" works, one should also understand the concepts behind non-procedural programming and patterns, so that when we talk about seperating application logic from the data source people know what we're talking about. I'm not a computer scientist, I'm a progressive hack with a bit of professional experience under my belt--and a f*load of theory in my head. So I'm no expert, but I expect that others undertaking these projects should have some pattern theory so conversations don't drift into the abyss because one of the participants isn't prepped for takeoff.Anyway, I'm going to stop there for now. Regards,/johnny <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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