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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jeremy" data-source="post: 150490" data-attributes="member: 4036">Dragon SmackdownOriginally posted by Carpe DMWell, since I've posted a few smacks for Characters, I thought I'd add one for DMs.Here's a tactic I use with Dragons all the time...enough to render Dragons as scary as they're supposed to be (in the face of my save-maxed party, all of whom have +20 or so reflex saves...sigh).The idea is simple: You get no save to a breath weapon when you're in the dragon's mouth.If the Dragon can cast Harm, by the way, just harm them when biting, and good-bye (remember--you can deliver a touch attack via a standard attack, and with a Dragon's massive bonuses to hit, the character is toast.But assuming a lower-level dragon, do the following.Have the Dragon cast haste before combat (c'mon, you knew to do that), and if you have time, cast shocking grasp (if low level) or Slay Living (if high level) as a touch spell, and hold the charge. Now, swoop down on those pesky PCs.Do a Fly-By attack, snatching one of the characters (standard action), breathing on him (partial action), and dropping him to fall far far to the ground as a free action once you've completed the fly-by and gained altitude.You do bite damage, then automatically try to grapple, which does bite damage again (so now they've taken 2x bite).So, assuming a Mature Adult Red Dragon, (bulled up, of course) you'll do:2d8 (bite 1) + 13 (11 standard str, 2 bulls).2d8 (bite 2) + 13 (same) for grapple.1d8 + 9 (shocking grasp), OR Slay Living damage.Breath Weapon (no save): 14d10 = 77 points on average. Drop as free action (assuming only a 100 foot climb, given a 500 foot move): 10d6, or 35 points of damage on average.1 rd total: 77 + 35 + 26 + 18 = 156 damage, plus the shocking grasp or the Slay Living. And, of course, if the Slay takes out the character on the bite, you can just drop the guy and breath on the whole party.Better ideas? Remember--keep it low level (Mature Adult Red) or such, so that we don't just devolve into high level spellcasting scenarios.Very best,Carpe</blockquote>

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