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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sollir Furryfoot" data-source="post: 204961" data-attributes="member: 748">The Path to a Higher DCIf you use Relics and Rituals, why not use Creature Compendium 2?"Bloodless" (Template from CC2) Human Sor 6/Shadow Adept 9/Archmage 3Charisma: Start at 18, +4 mod, +6 item, +5 wish, +5 tome (forgot if wishes and tomes stacked or not <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />)=38 CharismaFeats: Shadow Weave Magic, Spell Prodigy, Spell Focus (Illusion, Necromancy, or Enchantment), Greater Spell Focus (Illusion, Necromancy, or Enchantment), 1 Metamagic Feat, Skill Focus: Spellcraft, Spell Focus in one other school.+All other Shadow Weave featsArchmage Powers: Spell Power +1-3Bloodless template allows you to drain charisma from people, 1d3 points a round (permanent), gaining 1 temporary charisma point, doing this on the average commoner this will require about 8 commoners + 1 more every day to mantain a charisma of 76.DC with Chosen School from Illusion, Enchantment, or Necromancy: 10+33 (Charisma)+6 (Archmage Spell Power)+3 (Shadow Adept Spell Power)+4 (Greater Spell Focus)+1 (Spellcasting Prodigy)+1 (Shadow Weave Magic)+Spell levelMaking the DC for a 9th level spell 67, excluding any other spell enhancers and the like, although of course the charisma is temporary, it lasts a long time (you lose 1 point a day, but you can drain it back up) and you're probably a very evil character <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Edit-With Spell Enhancer and the two doses of that drug, the 9th level spell above would be DC 72Also, Adding Old Age Bonuses you could get a base of 41 charisma, which, when doubled would be 82 instead making the DC for a 9th level spell w/o extras 70, with 75 <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Further Edit-Okies, forgot if the inherent bonuses stacked which I even stated myself, so thats 72 charisma, 80 with that plate of command, making the DCs 69 and 74, respectively <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Might I note that most of the wizards who use Red Wizard PrCs as well as the Shadow Adept PrC are usually evil as well <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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