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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 395719" data-attributes="member: 1656">A move plus a partial is not a standard action.&nbsp; They do very strongly resemble one another, but it doesn't work that way.However, let's assume for a moment that it does.If a move plus a partial equals a standard, then by the same logic, a standard minus a move equals a partial.Thus, for your first manyshot, you intend to use a standard... minus the move which you intend to combine with the extra partial to form a second standard.&nbsp; But!&nbsp; That means that your first standard is no longer a standard, but a partial, since you've given its move to the extra partial.&nbsp; And you've already declared that you can't use Manyshot with a partial action, so your first action fails miserably.Alternatively, you could reread PHB p127, and realise that James McMurray is quite correct.Combining a hasted partial Manyshot (HPMS), a standard-action Manyshot (SAMS), and a Move (M), can be done in several different ways within one hasted round :HPMS, M, SAMSHPMS, SAMS, MM, SAMS, HPMSSAMS, M, HPMSYou can't combine them like this :M, HPMS, SAMSSAMS, HPMS, M... since you take your hasted partial action between the move and the rest of your standard action.&nbsp; In this case, it makes no difference, since your HP and SA are the same.Isn't it all much clearer now? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 395719, member: 1656"] A move plus a partial is not a standard action. They do very strongly resemble one another, but it doesn't work that way. However, let's assume for a moment that it does. If a move plus a partial equals a standard, then by the same logic, a standard minus a move equals a partial. Thus, for your first manyshot, you intend to use a standard... minus the move which you intend to combine with the extra partial to form a second standard. But! That means that your first standard is no longer a standard, but a partial, since you've given its move to the extra partial. And you've already declared that you can't use Manyshot with a partial action, so your first action fails miserably. Alternatively, you could reread PHB p127, and realise that James McMurray is quite correct. Combining a hasted partial Manyshot (HPMS), a standard-action Manyshot (SAMS), and a Move (M), can be done in several different ways within one hasted round : HPMS, M, SAMS HPMS, SAMS, M M, SAMS, HPMS SAMS, M, HPMS You [i]can't[/i] combine them like this : M, HPMS, SAMS SAMS, HPMS, M ... since you take your hasted partial action between the move and the rest of your standard action. In this case, it makes no difference, since your HP and SA are the same. Isn't it all much clearer now? :) -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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