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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3181048" data-attributes="member: 141">Sounds good.  How about now?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Last I recall about ritual casting, the leader needed to have the Leadership feat, and the mitigation was his leadership score.  Although it seems that this bonus gets awfully high, and it doesn't seem to involve any real cost.  Maybe we should go back to the drawing board and find something more like the ELH system- which is rather like binding, now that I think of it.Oh, and there was a feat in there, too; Cabal Leader.That sounds good.  We'll have to fiddle with it so that an 18th level wizard who casts a 9th level spell adds +6 to the guy's caster level.  This boost would affect caster level checks against SR, wouldn't it?  The spell description says "your caster level for this casting of binding increases by a number equal to one-third of that assistant’s level," and since binding allows SR, I'm presuming this bonus counts.Based on the casting time of binding, I'd think a one minute minimum time for a ritual would be appropriate.  I think we agreed on that before, but it's been a while, and I'd like to reaffirm it.How about if the ritual adds 1 point of free factors per 3 spell levels contributed, and increases the caster level of the spell by the same amount?  The spell contributed has to be of the same school as the base seed of the spell.  A spell which incorporates a ritual effect has to specify what the free factors are used for.  In the case of binding it would be to raise the HD/no save cap. In the case of a [summoning] it might be CR (if that is left open) or perhaps duration factors.  Caster level boosts wouldn't so much be valuable in combat (the 1 minute caster time makes this use inconvenient) but might help very much in ensuring that nobody comes along and dispels your epic wards or curses or what not.   The esoteric [binding] seed allows ritually contributed spell levels to count as double.A scheme like this would match up very well with [binding], but wouldn't get out of hand with other spells.  A few issues are outstanding: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">How many folks can contribute to a ritual?  I wouldn't mind capping it at 6.  </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What is the effect of Cabal Leader?  Maybe he can lead rituals with more people in it; up to 9, perhaps.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If epic spells are contributed, what should they be valued at? Significantly more than a 9th level spell; they are a lot more valuable.  I'd suggest that their value is 6+SP/6.  Triple what a non-epic spell is worth.  This yields similar results to Syneresis.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What about contributions of xp, shared backlash, etc.? Dunno.</li> </ul>I like the Animus Invictus feat.  I'm presuming it would apply to supernatural mind blank abilities such as you ascribe to Graz'zt.  Did you change your mind on the [Epic Magic] tag?  Maybe I'm misremembering, but didn't you think it was redundant?  At least I remember agreeing that it was redundant.The [binding] seed looks really good.  It shouldn't be too hard to expand its remit to imprisonment and soul bind.  Just add two more options to the list.</blockquote>

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