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<blockquote data-quote="AirElemental" data-source="post: 187327" data-attributes="member: 3742"><p>I disagree with trying to rule 0 this one, because its already a pretty limited aspect of the spell. First off, the teleport without</p><p>error spell is far more powerful than the version of it that the</p><p>archon casts. You cant travel with your archon. he cant carry</p><p>more than 50lbs with him. So you really arent getting full use </p><p>out of that spell. Secondly, even if you believe the archon </p><p>COULD refuse to do something against its alignment, thats</p><p>a pretty big assumption that the archon KNOWS its doing </p><p>something against its alignment. Just follow my logic here:</p><p>If the archon has to wait to sort out who is good, who is evil,</p><p>and whether the course of action it is commanded to do is </p><p>right or wrong, well now you've wasted 3-4 rounds. The summon monster spell doesnt say that. It says it appears and attacks</p><p>to the best of its ability. By your line of thinking caliban, the </p><p>archon MUST spend its first 2 rounds using "detect evil". also, the creature doesnt come with a phylactery of faithfulness, so unless</p><p>it stops to get all the info, it has no way of knowing its violating </p><p>its creed unless its quite obvious.</p><p></p><p>Any evil wizard casting this spell would be well advised not to TELL the archon "Hi, I'm evil, that guy is good, steal his weapon."</p><p>Note since you are using major image, you could even show the archon an image of the person you are stealing from using his sword to put an orphan or two to death, while we're at it.</p><p> </p><p>or try this on for size: You tell your archon to approach the hero depicted in the illusion. he is then to tell the hero "My Master, Rao, has sent me to give word of his favour. Present now</p><p>your blade, that it might be blessed." when he presents the blade, the archon teleports back to you. All the while, the archon never knew you weren't going to bless it, and if you tell the archon your name is Rao, he has no way of being sure you arent Rao.</p><p> </p><p>Clearly even my detractors have to admit that this tactic deserves </p><p>some scrutiny.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AirElemental, post: 187327, member: 3742"] I disagree with trying to rule 0 this one, because its already a pretty limited aspect of the spell. First off, the teleport without error spell is far more powerful than the version of it that the archon casts. You cant travel with your archon. he cant carry more than 50lbs with him. So you really arent getting full use out of that spell. Secondly, even if you believe the archon COULD refuse to do something against its alignment, thats a pretty big assumption that the archon KNOWS its doing something against its alignment. Just follow my logic here: If the archon has to wait to sort out who is good, who is evil, and whether the course of action it is commanded to do is right or wrong, well now you've wasted 3-4 rounds. The summon monster spell doesnt say that. It says it appears and attacks to the best of its ability. By your line of thinking caliban, the archon MUST spend its first 2 rounds using "detect evil". also, the creature doesnt come with a phylactery of faithfulness, so unless it stops to get all the info, it has no way of knowing its violating its creed unless its quite obvious. Any evil wizard casting this spell would be well advised not to TELL the archon "Hi, I'm evil, that guy is good, steal his weapon." Note since you are using major image, you could even show the archon an image of the person you are stealing from using his sword to put an orphan or two to death, while we're at it. or try this on for size: You tell your archon to approach the hero depicted in the illusion. he is then to tell the hero "My Master, Rao, has sent me to give word of his favour. Present now your blade, that it might be blessed." when he presents the blade, the archon teleports back to you. All the while, the archon never knew you weren't going to bless it, and if you tell the archon your name is Rao, he has no way of being sure you arent Rao. Clearly even my detractors have to admit that this tactic deserves some scrutiny. [/QUOTE]
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