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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 271117" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Bonedagger:</p><p></p><p><em> originally me </em>"Nor could you begin a full round action on the same round you cast haste (itself a standard action)."</p><p></p><p><em> originally bonedagger </em> "Again. See Start Full-Round Action on page 127 PHB under Partial Actions."</p><p></p><p>Ok, I admit that you have me there. </p><p></p><p>I knew that a full round action took two partial actions on successive rounds but for some reason didn't make the leap and realize you could start it with your haste partial. Maybe because I didn't think that you could choose to do a full round action as a partial action (such as a partial charge) unless you had no choice (as from a slow spell).</p><p></p><p>BUT BUT BUT, even though you could start it, it still wouldn't complete until your next round. And completion of the full round casting action has been my point of contention the whole time, because a spell that is cast as a full round action goes into effect not on that round - but on the beginning of your turn in the round after you began casting the spell. This is true regardless of how many partial actions you have. You can't take a 'Complete Full Round' partial action on the same round as a 'Start Full Round' partial action. Notice there is no 'Complete Full Round' partial action listed? Haste doesn't speed up the spell. You still must continue the spell casting from the round you began on until just before your turn on the next round. And because of this, that archer is going to have plenty of oppurtunity to disrupt your concentration, haste or not.</p><p></p><p>This is what I've been saying all along. So please explain to me how I've got it all wrong.</p><p></p><p><em> originally Forestter </em> "my understanding was that a Hasted character casting a full-round spell could NOT do it in a partial action."</p><p></p><p><em> originally bonedagger </em> "Nobody said that."</p><p></p><p>My understanding was that that was exactly what you were implying, or at least that you were implying that a rull round spell could be completed in the same round if you had an extra partial action. If that wasn't what you were implying, why were you contridicting me? Or why did you even bring up haste as a solution in the first place?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 271117, member: 4937"] Bonedagger: [i] originally me [/i]"Nor could you begin a full round action on the same round you cast haste (itself a standard action)." [i] originally bonedagger [/i] "Again. See Start Full-Round Action on page 127 PHB under Partial Actions." Ok, I admit that you have me there. I knew that a full round action took two partial actions on successive rounds but for some reason didn't make the leap and realize you could start it with your haste partial. Maybe because I didn't think that you could choose to do a full round action as a partial action (such as a partial charge) unless you had no choice (as from a slow spell). BUT BUT BUT, even though you could start it, it still wouldn't complete until your next round. And completion of the full round casting action has been my point of contention the whole time, because a spell that is cast as a full round action goes into effect not on that round - but on the beginning of your turn in the round after you began casting the spell. This is true regardless of how many partial actions you have. You can't take a 'Complete Full Round' partial action on the same round as a 'Start Full Round' partial action. Notice there is no 'Complete Full Round' partial action listed? Haste doesn't speed up the spell. You still must continue the spell casting from the round you began on until just before your turn on the next round. And because of this, that archer is going to have plenty of oppurtunity to disrupt your concentration, haste or not. This is what I've been saying all along. So please explain to me how I've got it all wrong. [i] originally Forestter [/i] "my understanding was that a Hasted character casting a full-round spell could NOT do it in a partial action." [i] originally bonedagger [/i] "Nobody said that." My understanding was that that was exactly what you were implying, or at least that you were implying that a rull round spell could be completed in the same round if you had an extra partial action. If that wasn't what you were implying, why were you contridicting me? Or why did you even bring up haste as a solution in the first place? [/QUOTE]
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