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<blockquote data-quote="Gez" data-source="post: 1197012" data-attributes="member: 1328">Dude, in case it wasn't obvious, I meant &quot;spells the spellcaster can benefit from&quot;. Archons (and most other outsiders who gets a teleport spell-like ability) can only teleport themselves.So, you can't use a SM4 to summon an Archon and tell him &quot;hello cab, teleport me to the princess's bathroom&quot;.On the other hand, if the archon had a teleport other ability, you may be sure it would be bumped above level 5.Likewise, a creature that would get the ability to cast heal on itself only, blah. No need to take that into account for a summon spell. But a creature able to cast heal normally, including on others, will be summoned sometimes just to cast this spell, and so &quot;for balance&quot; needs to have its summon level higher than the level of heal.That's why 3.0 PH has janni at a higher summon level (8) than djinni (7). Because of the Janni's ethereal jaunt, which may be useful for the caster and his party (&quot;go to the other side of that door and open it&quot;).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gez, post: 1197012, member: 1328"] Dude, in case it wasn't obvious, I meant "spells the spellcaster can benefit from". Archons (and most other outsiders who gets a [i]teleport[/i] spell-like ability) can only teleport themselves. So, you can't use a SM4 to summon an Archon and tell him "hello cab, teleport me to the princess's bathroom". On the other hand, if the archon had a [i]teleport other[/i] ability, you may be sure it would be bumped above level 5. Likewise, a creature that would get the ability to cast [i]heal[/i] on itself only, blah. No need to take that into account for a summon spell. But a creature able to cast [i]heal[/i] normally, including on others, will be summoned sometimes just to cast this spell, and so "for balance" needs to have its summon level higher than the level of [i]heal[/i]. That's why 3.0 PH has janni at a higher summon level (8) than djinni (7). Because of the Janni's [i]ethereal jaunt[/i], which may be useful for the caster and his party ("go to the other side of that door and open it"). [/QUOTE]

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