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<blockquote data-quote="Olive" data-source="post: 1406078" data-attributes="member: 1297"><p>Mostly this is due to a misunderstanding of the rules, not a problem with the rules themselves.</p><p></p><p>You do get XP when you beat summoned monsters, because you are overcoming a challenge. The XP you get is based on overcoming the creature who summoned the monsters, not the summoned monsters themselves. Make sense? So if a 17th lvl wizard summons 5 xills, and then teleports away then the PCs get XP for defeatign the wizard, not the xills. The DM may choose to award aprtial XP based on the fact that the wizard wasn't expending his full efforts or somethign else, but the key is that the XP is based on the wizard, just as if the wizard came from no whare, tried to disintergrate the PCs and then disappeared.</p><p></p><p>The CotSQ example is misleading because it's another example of WotC not actually thinkin through the rules they wrote.</p><p></p><p>Think about the reverse situation (from my game the other night):</p><p>A demon is <em>bound</em> in a cave, and the PCs wish to destroy her. They come up with an elaborate plan to teleport numerous lantern archons to the place where the demon is bound. The lantern archons do aproximately a third of the damage to the demon in the ensuing fight, plus helping the players survive with their <em>magic circle against evil</em> effect. Now, when it come to divy up XP I reduce the total by 25% because the demon is limmited by the <em>binding</em> she is subject too, but I don't consider the lantern archons to be extra combatants, not do I consider the PC's cohort as both the spells and the cohort are considered to be part of the PCs strength.</p><p></p><p>Giving XP for summoned monsters is like reducing a PCs xp because of the monsters that they summoned. What you do is give XP for the wizard who did the summoning...</p><p></p><p>DragonShadow has it right.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Olive, post: 1406078, member: 1297"] Mostly this is due to a misunderstanding of the rules, not a problem with the rules themselves. You do get XP when you beat summoned monsters, because you are overcoming a challenge. The XP you get is based on overcoming the creature who summoned the monsters, not the summoned monsters themselves. Make sense? So if a 17th lvl wizard summons 5 xills, and then teleports away then the PCs get XP for defeatign the wizard, not the xills. The DM may choose to award aprtial XP based on the fact that the wizard wasn't expending his full efforts or somethign else, but the key is that the XP is based on the wizard, just as if the wizard came from no whare, tried to disintergrate the PCs and then disappeared. The CotSQ example is misleading because it's another example of WotC not actually thinkin through the rules they wrote. Think about the reverse situation (from my game the other night): A demon is [I]bound[/I] in a cave, and the PCs wish to destroy her. They come up with an elaborate plan to teleport numerous lantern archons to the place where the demon is bound. The lantern archons do aproximately a third of the damage to the demon in the ensuing fight, plus helping the players survive with their [I]magic circle against evil[/I] effect. Now, when it come to divy up XP I reduce the total by 25% because the demon is limmited by the [I]binding[/I] she is subject too, but I don't consider the lantern archons to be extra combatants, not do I consider the PC's cohort as both the spells and the cohort are considered to be part of the PCs strength. Giving XP for summoned monsters is like reducing a PCs xp because of the monsters that they summoned. What you do is give XP for the wizard who did the summoning... DragonShadow has it right. [/QUOTE]
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