Summoned monsters summoning

[Tiberius]

Hi.

IIRC, some more-or-less official source has stated that those creatures fiends summon with their summon ability are unable to themselves summon other creatures. Does this apply if someone casts a Summon Monster spell? For instance, could a cornugon summoned with Summon Monster VIII use its ability to summon a few hamatula, or would it be prevented from so doing?

Thanks!

-Tiberius

 

[Forrester]

Yes. *Any* summoned creature can't summon anything for at least one hour.

 

[EOL]

Yeah basically the rule is that they have to wait an hour, but I think there may be exceptions if you summoned something that had the Summon monster spell, then I think they should be able to use it. But I may be wrong. I know that most individual creatures with the ability to summon have a one hour limit, but I don't know of a general all-encompassing rule which prohibits any form of summoning, by any summoned creature (reading a scroll anyone?) in under an hour.

 

[IceBear]

From the SRD on the Summoning School of Magic:

Summoning: The spell instantly brings a creature or object to a place the character designates. When the spell ends or is dispelled, a summoned creature is instantly sent back to where it came from, but a summoned object is not sent back unless the spell description specifically indicates this. A summoned creature also goes away if it is killed or dropped to 0 hit points. It is not really dead. It takes 24 hours for the creature to reform, during which time it can't be summoned again.

When the spell that summoned a creature ends and the creature disappears, all the spells it has cast end (if they haven't already). A summoned creature cannot use any innate summoning abilities it may have, and it refuses to cast any spells or use any spell-like abilities that would cost it XP.

IceBear

 

[EOL]

From the SRD on the Summoning School of Magic:

A summoned creature cannot use any innate summoning abilities it may have, and it refuses to cast any spells or use any spell-like abilities that would cost it XP.


IceBear

So if it had some spellcasting levels it could use those spells but it couldn't use any supernatural or spell-like abilities. At least that is how I read the word "innate" as basically belonging to the race of the creature, but not the class.

 

[IceBear]

So if it had some spellcasting levels it could use those spells but it couldn't use any supernatural or spell-like abilities. At least that is how I read the word "innate" as basically belonging to the race of the creature, but not the class.

That's how I read it too.

IceBear

 

[Tiberius]

Hmmm... looks like I should read through the SRD more carefully next time. Thanks!

-Tiberius

 

[Laslo Tremaine]

Hmmm, I was going to post a question concerning Summoned creatures and the Persistent Spell feat from Tome and Blood.

Persistant Spell basically lets you increase the duration of any non-instataneous spell to 24 hours.

I was dreading the moment when one of my players figured out that they could use that fact to summon something that could summon and then just waiting an hour before getting started...

Now I can just toss the above rule at them!

Cool.

 

[Laslo Tremaine]

Hmmm, I was going to post a question concerning Summoned creatures and the Persistent Spell feat from Tome and Blood.

Persistant Spell basically lets you increase the duration of any non-instataneous spell to 24 hours.

I was dreading the moment when one of my players figured out that they could use that fact to summon something that could summon and then just waiting an hour before getting started...

Now I can just toss the above rule at them!

Cool.

 

[Victim]

You can't use persistent spell on any summons in the first place. Only fixed or personal range spells work. Fixed as in "60 ft" rather that fixed at a certain level like 100 + 10 per level.