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<blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 5956634" data-attributes="member: 29746">Pull in a few Druid spells, would be the most obvious way. Stuff that's mostly Conjuration-oriented, like Fire Seeds- though there aren't a lot of Druid Conjuration spells, so perhaps extend it to non-Conjuration stuff that's obviously Druidish such as Entangle and Goodberry. Maybe grant a couple of minor Druid abilities that make some sense, like Woodland Stride, instead (or in addition).Alternately, you could improve the Archetype by going a different way: really play up the Fey aspect of it by making the Summoner himself/herself more Fey-like. Again, I think changing the spell list is the best place to do this; add some Enchantments to the list and you've pretty much got it- I'm thinking the Charm suite, Confusion, and maybe some Illusions as well like Rainbow Pattern. Also grant the Summoner an extra bonus on Will saves against such effects, and/or against the Confused condition since Fey are closely associated with (causing mortal) insanity in folklore.Summoner is a pretty powerful class in the standard form, so even a nerfed one can be pretty strong. If you want to make the Archetype &quot;viable,&quot; you shouldn't have to do major changes- just a few minor tweaks. Additions to the spell list are an especially good way to pull this off because the Summoner has limited spell knowledge- sure, there are always Wands and Scrolls, but face it, there's also Use Magic Device for those in the standard Summoner's case (and it's even a class skill). So adding a few spells to the list isn't a large power boost, but you can really change the flavor with some carefully-chosen additions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="paradox42, post: 5956634, member: 29746"] Pull in a few Druid spells, would be the most obvious way. Stuff that's mostly Conjuration-oriented, like [I]Fire Seeds[/I]- though there aren't a lot of Druid Conjuration spells, so perhaps extend it to non-Conjuration stuff that's obviously Druidish such as[I] Entangle[/I] and [I]Goodberry[/I]. Maybe grant a couple of minor Druid abilities that make some sense, like Woodland Stride, instead (or in addition). Alternately, you could improve the Archetype by going a different way: really play up the Fey aspect of it by making the Summoner himself/herself more Fey-like. Again, I think changing the spell list is the best place to do this; add some Enchantments to the list and you've pretty much got it- I'm thinking the [I]Charm[/I] suite, [I]Confusion[/I], and maybe some Illusions as well like [I]Rainbow Pattern[/I]. Also grant the Summoner an extra bonus on Will saves against such effects, and/or against the Confused condition since Fey are closely associated with (causing mortal) insanity in folklore. Summoner is a pretty powerful class in the standard form, so even a nerfed one can be pretty strong. If you want to make the Archetype "viable," you shouldn't have to do major changes- just a few minor tweaks. Additions to the spell list are an especially good way to pull this off because the Summoner has limited spell knowledge- sure, there are always Wands and Scrolls, but face it, there's also Use Magic Device for those in the standard Summoner's case (and it's even a class skill). So adding a few spells to the list isn't a large power boost, but you can really change the flavor with some carefully-chosen additions. [/QUOTE]

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