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<blockquote data-quote="Takhisis" data-source="post: 5331128" data-attributes="member: 89689">I've always wanted to play a 4e necromancer yet it's difficult to find anybody who will allow third party content like Scythe and Cowel by Goodman Games and other takes on the 4e necromancer. People tell me &quot;just refluff X class&quot; but I don't like that for one reason...ability scores. Simply put, I cannot stand being foced to play a wisdom based necromancer. To me, a necromancer's powers should be based on intelligence or charisma. I know that's an anal nitpick on my part, but for me it's a big deal. I want a necromancer who is, actually, you know...smart. Or if int is not an option at least somebody charismatic enough to manipulate people. I just don't like the idea of using a wisdom based necromancer and while it may be a nitpick to most, it's a big deal to me and that's where my big problem, and this thread's main topic come into play.Invokers, arguably the best summoners are out due to being wis based. Druids and other wis based summoner classes are out. So as far as refluffining goes...that leave me with the wizard. While refluffing a summoner wizard thematically works well for what I want, I have heard rather disparaging things about a summoner wizard's crunch. I've never EVER heard or seen any comment about summoner wizards being good at, well, summoning. I have however heard and seen many comments on them being sup-par at summoning. I've never played a summoning focused 4e wizard, so I have no idea how many of these statements are true. Thus, I posted this thread. Are summoner wizards any good at summoning? Do they suck at summoning? Are they &quot;just meh?&quot; Do they even get enough summons, (Including a level 1 summon) to actually be considered true &quot;summoners?&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Takhisis, post: 5331128, member: 89689"] I've always wanted to play a 4e necromancer yet it's difficult to find anybody who will allow third party content like Scythe and Cowel by Goodman Games and other takes on the 4e necromancer. People tell me "just refluff X class" but I don't like that for one reason...ability scores. Simply put, I cannot stand being foced to play a wisdom based necromancer. To me, a necromancer's powers should be based on intelligence or charisma. I know that's an anal nitpick on my part, but for me it's a big deal. I want a necromancer who is, actually, you know...smart. Or if int is not an option at least somebody charismatic enough to manipulate people. I just don't like the idea of using a wisdom based necromancer and while it may be a nitpick to most, it's a big deal to me and that's where my big problem, and this thread's main topic come into play. Invokers, arguably the best summoners are out due to being wis based. Druids and other wis based summoner classes are out. So as far as refluffining goes...that leave me with the wizard. While refluffing a summoner wizard thematically works well for what I want, I have heard rather disparaging things about a summoner wizard's crunch. I've never EVER heard or seen any comment about summoner wizards being good at, well, summoning. I have however heard and seen many comments on them being sup-par at summoning. I've never played a summoning focused 4e wizard, so I have no idea how many of these statements are true. Thus, I posted this thread. Are summoner wizards any good at summoning? Do they suck at summoning? Are they "just meh?" Do they even get enough summons, (Including a level 1 summon) to actually be considered true "summoners?" [/QUOTE]

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