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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5250090" data-attributes="member: 71571"><p>So....</p><p></p><p>...if this were the case, and commanding the summoned monster were using that power... then you'd run into the problem of it's usage word.</p><p></p><p>Daily.</p><p></p><p>Usage: The first word on the next line tells you how often you can use the power, that is, whether it is an at-will, an encounter, or a daily power.</p><p></p><p>There are no at-will summoning powers, which means that if commanding a summon were 'using that power', then you'd be constrained by that usage word in how often you can do so.</p><p></p><p>So, in the example of the Fire Warriors, you use it to create the Fire Warriors. At that point, you can do nothing more with them, because you've used your once per day allowance of using the Fire Warriors power.</p><p></p><p>So, 'using a power' cannot refer to anything but the act of first activating the power.</p><p></p><p>As well, every power has an action cost associated with using it, and it's obvious that further attacks do not use that initial action cost, but rather the action cost stated with that action. A power with Sustain minor, for example, is not being used by sustaining it, or else it would cost a minor and a standard action.</p><p></p><p>There exists no instance of 'using a power' in the rules outside of the act of activating it, with the exception of ambiguous terms like with enhancements on implements. However, there DO exists numerous instances of 'using a power' where it ONLY can refer to the initial act of activation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 5250090, member: 71571"] So.... ...if this were the case, and commanding the summoned monster were using that power... then you'd run into the problem of it's usage word. Daily. Usage: The first word on the next line tells you how often you can use the power, that is, whether it is an at-will, an encounter, or a daily power. There are no at-will summoning powers, which means that if commanding a summon were 'using that power', then you'd be constrained by that usage word in how often you can do so. So, in the example of the Fire Warriors, you use it to create the Fire Warriors. At that point, you can do nothing more with them, because you've used your once per day allowance of using the Fire Warriors power. So, 'using a power' cannot refer to anything but the act of first activating the power. As well, every power has an action cost associated with using it, and it's obvious that further attacks do not use that initial action cost, but rather the action cost stated with that action. A power with Sustain minor, for example, is not being used by sustaining it, or else it would cost a minor and a standard action. There exists no instance of 'using a power' in the rules outside of the act of activating it, with the exception of ambiguous terms like with enhancements on implements. However, there DO exists numerous instances of 'using a power' where it ONLY can refer to the initial act of activation. [/QUOTE]
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