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<blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 2497449" data-attributes="member: 11300"><p>As Infiniti2000 says, you need spell focus (conjuration) to get augment summoning. Since most conjuration's don't offer a save, augment summoning ends up being pretty expensive feat-wise.</p><p></p><p>The alienist prestige class is one way to specialise. The Green Summoning feat in FR (I think that's the name of it) is also good for beefing up summoned creatures. However, our group generally tends not to use FR stuff because it seems overpowered for the price. In short, we don't trust FR material.</p><p></p><p>However, by specializing, I think a certain component is the dedication to summoning of the actual players.</p><p></p><p>For example in our groups primary game, I play the conjurer/alienist Lucifus Cray while another character is the sorcerer Nemhan. They both have Summon Monster VII on their lists. However, because it's the primary thing for my guy - I have summon monster cards using the DMGII for all of Lucifus's augmented psuedonatural summonings - I know exactly what each of them can and can't do. As such as a player, I can normally pick creatures to suit the occasion more so than Nemhan's player who likes the simplicity of big powerful elementals.</p><p></p><p>The fact that Lucifus has all the summoning spells from I to VIII means that there is a greater range of things he regularly summons too - nothing like practice. In essence, really knowing your creatures - you as a player specialising in their knowledge - is worth just as much as any feat boosting their Strength and Constitution.</p><p></p><p>I think unless you have played a character that specialises in such things, you kind of underestimate not only how good, but how much fun summoning stuff can be.</p><p></p><p>Best Regards</p><p>Herremann the Wise</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Herremann the Wise, post: 2497449, member: 11300"] As Infiniti2000 says, you need spell focus (conjuration) to get augment summoning. Since most conjuration's don't offer a save, augment summoning ends up being pretty expensive feat-wise. The alienist prestige class is one way to specialise. The Green Summoning feat in FR (I think that's the name of it) is also good for beefing up summoned creatures. However, our group generally tends not to use FR stuff because it seems overpowered for the price. In short, we don't trust FR material. However, by specializing, I think a certain component is the dedication to summoning of the actual players. For example in our groups primary game, I play the conjurer/alienist Lucifus Cray while another character is the sorcerer Nemhan. They both have Summon Monster VII on their lists. However, because it's the primary thing for my guy - I have summon monster cards using the DMGII for all of Lucifus's augmented psuedonatural summonings - I know exactly what each of them can and can't do. As such as a player, I can normally pick creatures to suit the occasion more so than Nemhan's player who likes the simplicity of big powerful elementals. The fact that Lucifus has all the summoning spells from I to VIII means that there is a greater range of things he regularly summons too - nothing like practice. In essence, really knowing your creatures - you as a player specialising in their knowledge - is worth just as much as any feat boosting their Strength and Constitution. I think unless you have played a character that specialises in such things, you kind of underestimate not only how good, but how much fun summoning stuff can be. Best Regards Herremann the Wise [/QUOTE]
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