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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 2667259" data-attributes="member: 31734">Well, I'd say it is defined.  The definition for point of origin states that the caster designates it for any spell in which it is variable.  Unless, of course, you also contend that the point of origin for SMII is not variable then this rule holds true.However, the definition on point of origin and none of the rules on Effect spells require that a point of origin even exist for non-spread Effect spells.More importantly, the definition of 'begins' is important.  It seems clear to me that you are using it with respect to where the spell was originally cast (not currently located).  I disagree with this interpretation and contend that it refers to the where the spell currently begins.  Consider arcane eye, which is another Effect spell that is not a spread.  Am I right in stating that you would say that the point of origin is the point originally chosen to create the arcane eye and not the point where the arcane eye is currently located?Finally, let's look at cloudkill.  It says, "Figure out the cloud’s new spread each round based on its new point of origin, which is 10 feet farther away from the point of origin where you cast the spell."  This clearly indicates that the point of origin follows my interpretation, not yours.</blockquote>