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Message: <blockquote data-quote="spunky_mutters" data-source="post: 2680916" data-attributes="member: 5426">Effect spells like Summon Monster do not have a point of origin because none is designated by the caster, nor does any rule call out that one needs to be designated. It is simply not relevant for these spells. This is held up by the treatment of Target and Effect spells in other parts of the magic section.Under Duration: Subjects, Effects, and Areas (PHB 176), it is stated:It seems clear that only area spells that need a point of origin actually have the spell present at that point of origin, and are subject to that particular clause of dispel magic.Since Summon Monster creates an effect, and you cannot target an effect with dispel, you must target the creature. It still ends the spell if you succeed. If you hit them with an area dispel, only the portion inside the area is dispelled if you are successful.I would also argue that while the Area Dispel explains that only the portion within the area is affected, this is called out to show that portions of a spell or spell effect can be dispelled, when they overlap the area, but this exception sets the rule. The rule being that the spell is only dispelled where it is affected by the dispel, area or target. If this was not the case, it would not be necessary to call out the exception. With this interpretation, a targeted dispel will only remove effects from the individual targeted.</blockquote>