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<blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5706921" data-attributes="member: 92305">Gotcha. I should have re-read the rule before I posted. I staggered in last night after the game at 4:00 am. Man, I'm too old to be staying up that late. I fired off that question because it was on my mind after the game. It came up in one of the fights, and I skimmed the rule real fast in the game.&nbsp;Shoulda read it after some sleep.&nbsp;Thanks for the reply, though.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;EDIT:&nbsp; Still, though, doesn't it seem strange to split apart a shield with a dagger or a knife, even with the -4 penalty?&nbsp;The reason I asked the question was that, during last night's game, a PC used a dirk to sunder a wooden targe used by his enemy.&nbsp; The targe is Hardness 6 and Hitpoints 6.&nbsp; After the successful Sunder attempt, the PC rolled 12 points of damage.&nbsp; The dirk does 1d6 dmg, and the PC was under the Fighting Madness Feat, which boosted his STR bonus to +6.&nbsp; The player rolled a 6 on the die, bring the damage total to 12 points.&nbsp;12 pts of damage - 6 Hardness = 6 points of damage to the shield.&nbsp; It's useless.&nbsp;He did this with a big knife?&nbsp; Heck, a dagger, at 1d4 damage, would almost do it (leaving the shield 2 hp).&nbsp;Really?&nbsp;I'm trying to picture in my head what happens when a dirk, stilletto, knife, or dagger is used to sunder a shield...or even a sword.&nbsp;We had another instance where the same PC tried sunder on a war sword and put a decent little nick in the blade.&nbsp;That just seems strange, even with the -4 penalty on the sunder check, for light weapons.&nbsp; It seems too easy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Water Bob, post: 5706921, member: 92305"] Gotcha. I should have re-read the rule before I posted. I staggered in last night after the game at 4:00 am. Man, I'm too old to be staying up that late. I fired off that question because it was on my mind after the game. It came up in one of the fights, and I skimmed the rule real fast in the game. Shoulda read it after some sleep. Thanks for the reply, though. EDIT: Still, though, doesn't it seem strange to split apart a shield with a dagger or a knife, even with the -4 penalty? The reason I asked the question was that, during last night's game, a PC used a dirk to sunder a wooden targe used by his enemy. The targe is Hardness 6 and Hitpoints 6. After the successful Sunder attempt, the PC rolled 12 points of damage. The dirk does 1d6 dmg, and the PC was under the Fighting Madness Feat, which boosted his STR bonus to +6. The player rolled a 6 on the die, bring the damage total to 12 points. 12 pts of damage - 6 Hardness = 6 points of damage to the shield. It's useless. He did this with a big knife? Heck, a dagger, at 1d4 damage, would almost do it (leaving the shield 2 hp). Really? I'm trying to picture in my head what happens when a dirk, stilletto, knife, or dagger is used to sunder a shield...or even a sword. We had another instance where the same PC tried sunder on a war sword and put a decent little nick in the blade. That just seems strange, even with the -4 penalty on the sunder check, for light weapons. It seems too easy. [/QUOTE]

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