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<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 381082" data-attributes="member: 307">Gosh, if someone spends 2-3 feats on a tactic I'd expect it to become their attack of choice.Unless, of course, they have the appropriate feats, are using reach weapons (for the disarms and trips), or otherwise have the ability to avoid being attacked while using these tactics. PCs and NPCs facing tumbling sunderers do have combat related feats you know.Oh, and if the Tumbler doesn't have Combat reflexes, he only gets one attack &quot;on his way past&quot;. He may very well suck up two or three on the way.Yes, a bunch of ways that might succeed, and they might not. The resulting benefit from the tumble-sunder maneuver may not be worth the effort either. On the other hand, your position seems to be that they will always succeed. Which tells me that the people defending the archer are none too bright, since there are many ways to make life difficult for the tumbler to get to the archer/wizard/whatever is being protected.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 381082, member: 307"] Gosh, if someone spends 2-3 feats on a tactic I'd [i]expect[/i] it to become their attack of choice. Unless, of course, they have the appropriate feats, are using reach weapons (for the disarms and trips), or otherwise have the ability to avoid being attacked while using these tactics. PCs and NPCs facing tumbling sunderers [i]do[/i] have combat related feats you know. Oh, and if the Tumbler doesn't have Combat reflexes, he only gets [i]one[/i] attack "on his way past". He may very well suck up two or three on the way. Yes, a bunch of ways that [i]might[/i] succeed, and they might not. The resulting benefit from the tumble-sunder maneuver may not be worth the effort either. On the other hand, your position seems to be that they will [i]always[/i] succeed. Which tells me that the people defending the archer are none too bright, since there are many ways to make life difficult for the tumbler to get to the archer/wizard/whatever is being protected. [/QUOTE]

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