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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 382065" data-attributes="member: 3146">Anyone who wants to be effective with tumble that's who. I don't know what kind of a world you play in but most campaigns don't give bad guys multiple 18s. That means that chain shirt fighters types either don't do much damage (because of low strength)--in which case, even with improved sunder they're not much of a threat to good weapons. Atlternatively, they might have a good strength but be power attack bait. Either way, they won't last long against PC melee types.As to "waltzing" through 4 ranks of protection with one cross class rank of tumble, I think that you misread the skill's usefulness. First, tumble can't be used in armor that gives good protection. So you're limited to the chain shirt fighter types with tumble. Second, one rank of tumble is not usually enough to avoid AoOs--so one trip, disarm, or sunder (with the AoO) and the bad guy just went from being an "Unstoppable tumbling juggernaught" to that fool on the ground without his weapon. (AKA Power attack +4 or the idiot standing in the middle of the party without his sword).Tumble is a useful skill--quite possibly too useful and powerful but it's not immunity to AoOs for anyone other than rogues.</blockquote>