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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thalias" data-source="post: 990506" data-attributes="member: 8942">Krisnath do you have the ELH?  If you do the I would like to be looking at these pages while you read this post, pages 77,182,183.  On page 77 is the dragon knight spell.  Here is a modification of it.DC base is -----------------14because of non outsider 10Summon CR 28 ------------521-action casting------------20And it equals a DC of -----86Now you may ask what I am summoning.  Well King Gidorah would be facing a young adult(Gigantic) Force Dragon.You have max ranks.  33 for a 30th level character in Spellcraft.  You can get epic skill focus that is plus ten, we are at 43.  You get an skill boost item, these can go as high as thirty.  We are now at 73.  now just to make sure things go something we will lower the DC with a migitating factor of 11d6 backlash.  That is not that much it averages 38 points of damage.  So then for 38 points of damage you have a young adult force dragon.  Cast that.And Gidorah suddenly has some problems.</blockquote>