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<blockquote data-quote="ShinHakkaider" data-source="post: 8199102" data-attributes="member: 9213"><p>Yes. and I've NEVER understood the outrage behind this from comic fans. </p><p></p><p>As someone who was actually reading the Cap book at the time as well as the book where he gets his youth and super serum back (Avengers: Standoff) there was no way that a longtime reader of Captain America didn't know that there wouldn't be ramifications/consequences. The reveal that Red Skull had used the Cosmic Cube to alter reality thus giving us Hydra Cap wasn't a surprise. </p><p></p><p>It's literally something the Red Skull has been working toward in one form or another every time he's gotten or almost gotten his hands on the Cosmic Cube. The last time the fight over the cube with the Red Skull resulted in Steve freeing Bucky/Winter Soldier from his mind control and restoring his memories.</p><p></p><p>The time before that (I think in the Waid/ Garney run) the Skull had trapped Steve inside the cube in a version of the 1940's where he was still fighting in WWII. Steve broke free "destroyed" the cube and the Skull. Ironically the situation that starts that arc has to do with Steve being revived by the Red Skull after the Super Serum all but kills Steve. </p><p></p><p>I guess what I'm saying is this: Almost all of these stories are familiar and just variations or followups on things that have come before. I welcome them. But the outrage to me is a little disturbing. Especially if you've been reading Captain America for more than just that particular run.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ShinHakkaider, post: 8199102, member: 9213"] Yes. and I've NEVER understood the outrage behind this from comic fans. As someone who was actually reading the Cap book at the time as well as the book where he gets his youth and super serum back (Avengers: Standoff) there was no way that a longtime reader of Captain America didn't know that there wouldn't be ramifications/consequences. The reveal that Red Skull had used the Cosmic Cube to alter reality thus giving us Hydra Cap wasn't a surprise. It's literally something the Red Skull has been working toward in one form or another every time he's gotten or almost gotten his hands on the Cosmic Cube. The last time the fight over the cube with the Red Skull resulted in Steve freeing Bucky/Winter Soldier from his mind control and restoring his memories. The time before that (I think in the Waid/ Garney run) the Skull had trapped Steve inside the cube in a version of the 1940's where he was still fighting in WWII. Steve broke free "destroyed" the cube and the Skull. Ironically the situation that starts that arc has to do with Steve being revived by the Red Skull after the Super Serum all but kills Steve. I guess what I'm saying is this: Almost all of these stories are familiar and just variations or followups on things that have come before. I welcome them. But the outrage to me is a little disturbing. Especially if you've been reading Captain America for more than just that particular run. [/QUOTE]
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