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<blockquote data-quote="Darth Shoju" data-source="post: 3389918" data-attributes="member: 11397">From my experience, Ultimate universe or not, Spidey has always been significantly stronger than Cap. If you put any stock in the Marvel trading cards that had various &quot;ability score&quot; ratings on the back, Spidey was in the range of being able to lift a bus. There's also precedent&nbsp; that when Spidey gets really mad (&quot;over the edge&quot; it has been called) he gets quite a bit stronger. For perspective, in his black costume (with its strength-augmenting powers) he was able to take down Firelord (a former herald of Galactus), much to the surprise of the Avengers (and Firelord himself). Cap, on the other hand, is a *much* more experienced and trained combatant. I've got an old Hulk comic where Cap takes Hulk to the ground using nothing more than training and leverage (of course the Hulk was less than impressed and not harmed in the slightest...luckily this was &quot;smart&quot; Hulk and Cappy was able to talk to him instead of getting squished.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Darth Shoju, post: 3389918, member: 11397"] From my experience, Ultimate universe or not, Spidey has always been significantly stronger than Cap. If you put any stock in the Marvel trading cards that had various "ability score" ratings on the back, Spidey was in the range of being able to lift a bus. There's also precedent that when Spidey gets really mad ("over the edge" it has been called) he gets quite a bit stronger. For perspective, in his black costume (with its strength-augmenting powers) he was able to take down Firelord (a former herald of Galactus), much to the surprise of the Avengers (and Firelord himself). Cap, on the other hand, is a *much* more experienced and trained combatant. I've got an old Hulk comic where Cap takes Hulk to the ground using nothing more than training and leverage (of course the Hulk was less than impressed and not harmed in the slightest...luckily this was "smart" Hulk and Cappy was able to talk to him instead of getting squished.) [/QUOTE]

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