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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 9703970" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>Saw it today, absolutely loved it. To me this was Superman. Hopeful, earnest, and even naively believing the best in people. I liked that most of his fights focused on him saving people and trying to limit damage rather than the raw battle. That to me is Superman in a way that Man of Steel really missed....in this movie saving people was the focus rather than the epic battle moments. We see that in the Kaiju fight, Superman is holding back trying to save the Kaiju as much as anyone else. He could destroy him easily, but he doesn't want to...and that's the point. That's why Superman works.</p><p></p><p>People are saying the plot was disjointed....I don't get that at all. Now was it an over the top comic book plot....sure its a comic book movie, but the plot itself flowed fine from one element to the next.</p><p></p><p>Hoult's Lex was just alright until the scene where he russian rouletted that guy....than he became a true menace. Until that moment he was just an over the top comic book villain. But in that moment he became a stone cold killer, and it added a ton to the character. I also really loved the end scene where Superman says he's driven by envy....and this Lex completely owns it. He understands his own mind, he knows EXACTLY why he does what he does, no compromise, no backpedaling, loved it. Last thing about Lex is that this version made sense to me in terms of...he has been building this master plan for YEARS. His pocket universe, the clone, the kaiju, the barovia....all apart of a master plan to take out Superman. And he's goal is to do in one fell swoop. Superman is not even aware of Lex as anything more than another super tech billionaire, Lex has kept all of his plans underwraps waiting for this moment when he brings it all out on the table to finish Superman once and for all. The whole "he has memorized his fighting sequences over 3 years and created 2500 different moves to counter him"....that one sentence showcased Lex's brilliance and the level of planning that went into this.</p><p></p><p>People talked in the media about this being an immigrant story but honestly didn't get that at all. Instead...this was a story about cancel culture. We literally saw how the modern day media could be turned against even someone as good as Superman...and it was a very believable vision.</p><p></p><p>I liked Krypto overall, he was juuuuust about to overstay his welcome but I think he was limited enough that it worked. Lois was also rock solid, perfect rendition.</p><p></p><p>So that's my heaps of praise, now I'll dig in to a few problems:</p><p></p><p>1) After Superman returns to the fortress and finds it decimated, the next scene he immediately goes after Lex. But this Superman has never interacted with Lex Luthor and has no knowledge that Lex is the one that went to the fortress. It felt like there was a connecting scene cut out there. Now I could believe there was some footage in the fortress showing Lex was there...but it was a no show kind of situation.</p><p></p><p>2) The Kent's accents...I don't mind that kind of thick accent its perfectly fine for midwest farmers...but then its like "why doesn't Clark have a thick accent?" That kind of accent is hard to shake.</p><p></p><p>3) The Jor-El/Lara plot swap is going to piss off the purists and I respect that for some that’s a dealbreaker. The first part about humans being simple and confused...sure to a highly advanced civilization we will absolutely look that way. The second part about taking lots of women and repopulating Krypton's genetics...hey I get it, you want to rebuild your people I can respect that. But then the third part about "kill anyone who stands in your way and show no mercy".....ok THAT was over the top and probably not even needed. the whole "Secret harem" thing would have been enough to start getting people to question Superman's motives and why he's really here...you don't have to have the Kryptonians go full dark side.</p><p></p><p>4) I can respect the notions that Superman never feels as "epic" as Man of Steel superman. Like I said this was a focus on Superman's heart over his power....but it would have been nice to get at least one scene of some raw epic awesome.</p><p></p><p>5) As much as this movie goes out of its way to showcase Superman's love of life (we even see him save a squirrel!), his killing of Ultraman is really cold...literally no reaction. That was a big tonal miss in another pitch perfect rendition of Superman's character.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 9703970, member: 5889"] Saw it today, absolutely loved it. To me this was Superman. Hopeful, earnest, and even naively believing the best in people. I liked that most of his fights focused on him saving people and trying to limit damage rather than the raw battle. That to me is Superman in a way that Man of Steel really missed....in this movie saving people was the focus rather than the epic battle moments. We see that in the Kaiju fight, Superman is holding back trying to save the Kaiju as much as anyone else. He could destroy him easily, but he doesn't want to...and that's the point. That's why Superman works. People are saying the plot was disjointed....I don't get that at all. Now was it an over the top comic book plot....sure its a comic book movie, but the plot itself flowed fine from one element to the next. Hoult's Lex was just alright until the scene where he russian rouletted that guy....than he became a true menace. Until that moment he was just an over the top comic book villain. But in that moment he became a stone cold killer, and it added a ton to the character. I also really loved the end scene where Superman says he's driven by envy....and this Lex completely owns it. He understands his own mind, he knows EXACTLY why he does what he does, no compromise, no backpedaling, loved it. Last thing about Lex is that this version made sense to me in terms of...he has been building this master plan for YEARS. His pocket universe, the clone, the kaiju, the barovia....all apart of a master plan to take out Superman. And he's goal is to do in one fell swoop. Superman is not even aware of Lex as anything more than another super tech billionaire, Lex has kept all of his plans underwraps waiting for this moment when he brings it all out on the table to finish Superman once and for all. The whole "he has memorized his fighting sequences over 3 years and created 2500 different moves to counter him"....that one sentence showcased Lex's brilliance and the level of planning that went into this. People talked in the media about this being an immigrant story but honestly didn't get that at all. Instead...this was a story about cancel culture. We literally saw how the modern day media could be turned against even someone as good as Superman...and it was a very believable vision. I liked Krypto overall, he was juuuuust about to overstay his welcome but I think he was limited enough that it worked. Lois was also rock solid, perfect rendition. So that's my heaps of praise, now I'll dig in to a few problems: 1) After Superman returns to the fortress and finds it decimated, the next scene he immediately goes after Lex. But this Superman has never interacted with Lex Luthor and has no knowledge that Lex is the one that went to the fortress. It felt like there was a connecting scene cut out there. Now I could believe there was some footage in the fortress showing Lex was there...but it was a no show kind of situation. 2) The Kent's accents...I don't mind that kind of thick accent its perfectly fine for midwest farmers...but then its like "why doesn't Clark have a thick accent?" That kind of accent is hard to shake. 3) The Jor-El/Lara plot swap is going to piss off the purists and I respect that for some that’s a dealbreaker. The first part about humans being simple and confused...sure to a highly advanced civilization we will absolutely look that way. The second part about taking lots of women and repopulating Krypton's genetics...hey I get it, you want to rebuild your people I can respect that. But then the third part about "kill anyone who stands in your way and show no mercy".....ok THAT was over the top and probably not even needed. the whole "Secret harem" thing would have been enough to start getting people to question Superman's motives and why he's really here...you don't have to have the Kryptonians go full dark side. 4) I can respect the notions that Superman never feels as "epic" as Man of Steel superman. Like I said this was a focus on Superman's heart over his power....but it would have been nice to get at least one scene of some raw epic awesome. 5) As much as this movie goes out of its way to showcase Superman's love of life (we even see him save a squirrel!), his killing of Ultraman is really cold...literally no reaction. That was a big tonal miss in another pitch perfect rendition of Superman's character. [/QUOTE]
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