Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9722305" data-attributes="member: 18">I think you may be misunderstanding the issue as one of mere "stodgy old fans" just not wanting change/modernity/coolness (you didn't say those words, to be clear, I just feel like that's the strong implication of "need her to be identical to Superman" - particularly the word "need" instead of "want" or "like").The issue, I would suggest, isn't that people "need" her to be identical to Superman. It's that they want her to be a "good person" like Superman is (and like many superheroes are not). A lot of women and girls grew up with a version of Supergirl who was good and smart and strong, and in none of those cases, was she a "drunken bad-girl". So we have a situation where people who like "original flavour" Superman absolutely get that (rather than Snyder's "White Monster" - the drink - flavour Superman). But women and girls are generally not well-served by comics or superhero stuff (I would suggest, very strongly, even most female superheroes are aimed at men) and they had a good-girl character they liked, and now she's a drunk and seemingly silly/frivolous (though presumably it will be revealed that she has stuff Going On as per the comic you mentioned).So maybe that makes a bit more sense to you? The first objection mentioned was from a 19-y/o girl who grew up with the Benoist Supergirl (who is very much a "good" Supergirl), and I don't think "Well this very-written comic had a different take!" really overrides that or even really understands why she might have felt like that. I note this particularly because one of the very few superheros my wife even tolerates is "good" Supergirl (and "good" Superman - and for reasons that are quite complicated, Deadpool, but let's not get into that!).Like, to me, your argument is actually quite persuasive. That (very recent, 2021-2022) comic and looks and sounds cool as hell, right? But I didn't grow up loving any kind of version of Supergirl. I don't think even saw the the original 1984 Supergirl movie until I was in my 20s. And I'm male. So I get why some people might be like "Nah that sounds like it sucks" without them being stodgy fans who want her to be "identical to Superman"Sorry if this is annoying, but I just feel like there's a bit more to this particular issue than needing mere "female Superman". Again though I do really want to read the comic series you suggested, because it does sound cool. And I am confident you are correct in your assessment of where Gunn is coming from here. I hope he pulls it off in a way that doesn't like, piss off existing female Supergirl fans the way Snyder Superman pissed off a lot of Superman fans of all stripes (but not all, to be sure - some liked it!).</blockquote>

Verification