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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9722835" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>You say that like that doesn't confirm everything I'm saying!</p><p></p><p>It was a complete dick move with no real excuse (oh someone was rude at a rough bar for rough people OH NO!!! Time to destroy their livelihood in a way that potentially causes massive problems for myself!), and also made a massive mockery of his own father's death and message (which was admittedly itself bizarre but still, it's just most inconsistency, when he goes on about that message later). It also shows that Snyder's take is that, instead of Superman just being fundamentally a good person because he was raised to be that, he had to take some kind of conscious decision to be a good person, which is wiiiiiiiiiild.</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>If</em> that was the plot, sure. But it's just your headcanon and it's directly contradicted by the actual movie, as [USER=5889]@Stalker0[/USER] points out in detail. Further your headcanon here is so elaborate and multilayered that I think you also saw this as a massive problem. Why else develop such a heavily-explained theory to deal with it? Superman doesn't even try to move things away from the city. He might have a line where he handwrings about it, I forget, but he certainly doesn't act like he's trying to move things away.</p><p></p><p>Again, it's obvious that Snyder profoundly didn't understand Superman, from both how he had him behave, and from the insane message he put through Pa Kent, which is like, the most bizarre spin possible, and kind of directly opposed to the whole idea that Superman got good values from the Kents.</p><p></p><p>EDIT - What is interesting about Man of Steel is that it's basically from a very different "era" of superhero films, despite being from 2013, and thus after Avengers 1 etc., it's spiritually from that 1980s/1990s school of superhero films where instead of feeling particularly beholden to the existing canon and characters and personalities and so on, film-makers and writers were like "Oh I'm way smarter than these dumb comic-book writers and their nerdy fans, time to put a giant spider/pack of gamma poodles in this!" or in this case "What do you mean Superman is good because his parents raised him to do good? Nah his parents' message should be 'just let people die so you can hide', that's a much smarter message! We wouldn't want to imply his parents had morals stronger than self-protection, self-protection is the highest virtue, that's what Buddha and Bob Marley told me after I did shrooms and PCP last week!".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9722835, member: 18"] You say that like that doesn't confirm everything I'm saying! It was a complete dick move with no real excuse (oh someone was rude at a rough bar for rough people OH NO!!! Time to destroy their livelihood in a way that potentially causes massive problems for myself!), and also made a massive mockery of his own father's death and message (which was admittedly itself bizarre but still, it's just most inconsistency, when he goes on about that message later). It also shows that Snyder's take is that, instead of Superman just being fundamentally a good person because he was raised to be that, he had to take some kind of conscious decision to be a good person, which is wiiiiiiiiiild. [I]If[/I] that was the plot, sure. But it's just your headcanon and it's directly contradicted by the actual movie, as [USER=5889]@Stalker0[/USER] points out in detail. Further your headcanon here is so elaborate and multilayered that I think you also saw this as a massive problem. Why else develop such a heavily-explained theory to deal with it? Superman doesn't even try to move things away from the city. He might have a line where he handwrings about it, I forget, but he certainly doesn't act like he's trying to move things away. Again, it's obvious that Snyder profoundly didn't understand Superman, from both how he had him behave, and from the insane message he put through Pa Kent, which is like, the most bizarre spin possible, and kind of directly opposed to the whole idea that Superman got good values from the Kents. EDIT - What is interesting about Man of Steel is that it's basically from a very different "era" of superhero films, despite being from 2013, and thus after Avengers 1 etc., it's spiritually from that 1980s/1990s school of superhero films where instead of feeling particularly beholden to the existing canon and characters and personalities and so on, film-makers and writers were like "Oh I'm way smarter than these dumb comic-book writers and their nerdy fans, time to put a giant spider/pack of gamma poodles in this!" or in this case "What do you mean Superman is good because his parents raised him to do good? Nah his parents' message should be 'just let people die so you can hide', that's a much smarter message! We wouldn't want to imply his parents had morals stronger than self-protection, self-protection is the highest virtue, that's what Buddha and Bob Marley told me after I did shrooms and PCP last week!". [/QUOTE]
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