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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9723070" data-attributes="member: 18">I think there definitely was a bit of a reassessment of superheroes and whether there was any &quot;hero&quot; in there really after MoS (he did do some heroism but... not much in the main plot).The most interesting reassessment for me though remains (plot spoilers for a film several years ago which probably all of us have seen) Spider-Man: No Way Home, which much to my extreme surprise, essentially recognised that the previous two Marvel Spider-Man movies had also been lacking in real heroism (as opposed to mere &quot;impressive feats&quot;) and particularly that Spider-Man himself was more &quot;Iron Lad&quot; than Spider-Man, lacking Spider-Man's deep morality which was so important his character, with just a shallow decency and charm instead. The two other Spider-Mans essentially giving Holland's Spider-Man moral instruction/tutelage together with his aunt adopting the Uncle Ben role as a sort of crucible of morality together with the profound reset of the end of the movie were a fascinating change/admission. I mean, it saved the franchise for me. If we'd had another &quot;Iron Lad&quot; movie I'd never have watched a Holland Spider-Man movie again, whereas I'm pretty interested to see how he develops with upcoming Spider-Man 4.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9723070, member: 18"] I think there definitely was a bit of a reassessment of superheroes and whether there was any "hero" in there really after MoS (he did do some heroism but... not much in the main plot). The most interesting reassessment for me though remains (plot spoilers for a film several years ago which probably all of us have seen) [I]Spider-Man: No Way Home[/I], which much to my extreme surprise, essentially recognised that the previous two Marvel Spider-Man movies had also been lacking in real heroism (as opposed to mere "impressive feats") and particularly that Spider-Man himself was more "Iron Lad" than Spider-Man, lacking Spider-Man's deep morality which was so important his character, with just a shallow decency and charm instead. The two other Spider-Mans essentially giving Holland's Spider-Man moral instruction/tutelage together with his aunt adopting the Uncle Ben role as a sort of crucible of morality together with the profound reset of the end of the movie were a fascinating change/admission. I mean, it saved the franchise for me. If we'd had another "Iron Lad" movie I'd never have watched a Holland Spider-Man movie again, whereas I'm pretty interested to see how he develops with upcoming Spider-Man 4. [/QUOTE]

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