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<blockquote data-quote="Ackbladder" data-source="post: 6399106" data-attributes="member: 6761974"><p>I've read this entire thread with interest, because I have pretty much made the jump from PF to 5E because of "Splatbookitis". For me, I like a classical D&D feel, and PF jumped the shark with the ARG and crap put out since then. </p><p></p><p>When I DM, I can ignore this and enforce Core+APG only (my preferred rule set), but I have to deal with disappointed players, and it is also harder for those who use d20pfsrd to keep an eye on what is Core+APG only.</p><p></p><p>If the optional books are used in AP's/Adventures, it can render them worthless as well, or at least require me to reword or modify lots of encounters. The last AP I subscribed to was Mummy's Mask, and I was very let down. Not only did I find it just mediocre in tone and outline, but the crunch draws heavily from Bestiary 4, a third party monster compendium and things like the Ultimate Equipment Guide. So I'd need to buy about 4-5 books I have no interest in, just to run it without reworking most encounters. I've unsubscribed, and don't see myself signing up for any more AP's in the future.</p><p></p><p>But the real problem comes for me as a player. I use Roll20, since I live in a small town. For the last several months, pretty much every group I've found on Roll20 has the party looking like something from the Cantina scene in Star Wars. I hate seeing yet another group of tieflings, aasimars, catfolk and kitsune. My latest group is an Ifrit sorcerer, a catfolk ninja, a weird space-man using a secretive 3rd-party psionics class/package and my dwarven Inquisitor (a musketeer-type follower of Cayden Cailean). If you stick to a core race, you end up feeling lame as the Aasimar's many perks come in to play in pretty much every encounter.</p><p></p><p>So I've reluctantly switched to 5E, despite my respect and admiration for Paizo as a company, and my certainty that Wizards is going to cock up the electronic delivery aspects as opposed to Paizo's stellar approach to PDF's and online crunch. </p><p></p><p>Sure, I like the 5E rules in general, but it's really the lack of Splat that is a draw for me. For 6 months, perhaps a year, I'm hoping I'll be able to find groups on Roll20 where people actually have to think about a personality to make their halfling wizard stand out, as opposed to rolling up a dhamphir monk and letting that define their character (this is a gross generalization of course, but I find that people who play weird race/classes usually tend to have weak to non-existent character personalities - an exception is the Ifrit previously mentioned, who has perhaps the best character in the group). </p><p></p><p>Once 5E splatbooks start rolling out, I'll likely be disgruntled once again (Dragonborn and Tieflings in the core rules already push my personal Cheese Meter). Perhaps some day I'll find a reliable DM and group on Roll20 that share most of my personal preferences - I guess that's the Holy Grail.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ackbladder, post: 6399106, member: 6761974"] I've read this entire thread with interest, because I have pretty much made the jump from PF to 5E because of "Splatbookitis". For me, I like a classical D&D feel, and PF jumped the shark with the ARG and crap put out since then. When I DM, I can ignore this and enforce Core+APG only (my preferred rule set), but I have to deal with disappointed players, and it is also harder for those who use d20pfsrd to keep an eye on what is Core+APG only. If the optional books are used in AP's/Adventures, it can render them worthless as well, or at least require me to reword or modify lots of encounters. The last AP I subscribed to was Mummy's Mask, and I was very let down. Not only did I find it just mediocre in tone and outline, but the crunch draws heavily from Bestiary 4, a third party monster compendium and things like the Ultimate Equipment Guide. So I'd need to buy about 4-5 books I have no interest in, just to run it without reworking most encounters. I've unsubscribed, and don't see myself signing up for any more AP's in the future. But the real problem comes for me as a player. I use Roll20, since I live in a small town. For the last several months, pretty much every group I've found on Roll20 has the party looking like something from the Cantina scene in Star Wars. I hate seeing yet another group of tieflings, aasimars, catfolk and kitsune. My latest group is an Ifrit sorcerer, a catfolk ninja, a weird space-man using a secretive 3rd-party psionics class/package and my dwarven Inquisitor (a musketeer-type follower of Cayden Cailean). If you stick to a core race, you end up feeling lame as the Aasimar's many perks come in to play in pretty much every encounter. So I've reluctantly switched to 5E, despite my respect and admiration for Paizo as a company, and my certainty that Wizards is going to cock up the electronic delivery aspects as opposed to Paizo's stellar approach to PDF's and online crunch. Sure, I like the 5E rules in general, but it's really the lack of Splat that is a draw for me. For 6 months, perhaps a year, I'm hoping I'll be able to find groups on Roll20 where people actually have to think about a personality to make their halfling wizard stand out, as opposed to rolling up a dhamphir monk and letting that define their character (this is a gross generalization of course, but I find that people who play weird race/classes usually tend to have weak to non-existent character personalities - an exception is the Ifrit previously mentioned, who has perhaps the best character in the group). Once 5E splatbooks start rolling out, I'll likely be disgruntled once again (Dragonborn and Tieflings in the core rules already push my personal Cheese Meter). Perhaps some day I'll find a reliable DM and group on Roll20 that share most of my personal preferences - I guess that's the Holy Grail. [/QUOTE]
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