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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6400145" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>I think that there gets to be a point of saturation though.</p><p></p><p>4E was bloated and went way beyond saturation (IMO, obviously not in everyone's opinion).</p><p></p><p>4E has 77 classes, 46 races, 817 backgrounds, 116 themes, 3271 feats, 9409 powers, 577 paragon paths, 815 epic destinies, and 3752 items.</p><p></p><p>Most or all of this is theoretically allowable by players in a wide open campaign.</p><p></p><p>There are also 5326 monsters, many of which the DM will have to slog through, just to determine if he wants them in his encounters or not. One can filter through the list online, but not so much in one of a dozen or more books / Dragon articles.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As a DM, I started to feel a little overwhelmed not just with the amount of material to read (and re-read later on), but with the pressure to stay up to speed with the current Dragon, Dungeon, and splat books. Granted, that pressure is self imposed, but I like to at least try to stay current. I try to head off at the pass any weird synergies or mechanics problems (like the entire NAD feat taxes) so that my players do not run into game mechanic issues (too strong, or too weak).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6400145, member: 2011"] I think that there gets to be a point of saturation though. 4E was bloated and went way beyond saturation (IMO, obviously not in everyone's opinion). 4E has 77 classes, 46 races, 817 backgrounds, 116 themes, 3271 feats, 9409 powers, 577 paragon paths, 815 epic destinies, and 3752 items. Most or all of this is theoretically allowable by players in a wide open campaign. There are also 5326 monsters, many of which the DM will have to slog through, just to determine if he wants them in his encounters or not. One can filter through the list online, but not so much in one of a dozen or more books / Dragon articles. As a DM, I started to feel a little overwhelmed not just with the amount of material to read (and re-read later on), but with the pressure to stay up to speed with the current Dragon, Dungeon, and splat books. Granted, that pressure is self imposed, but I like to at least try to stay current. I try to head off at the pass any weird synergies or mechanics problems (like the entire NAD feat taxes) so that my players do not run into game mechanic issues (too strong, or too weak). [/QUOTE]
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