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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6403270" data-attributes="member: 2011">It doesn't feel shallow to me.Game systems are designed to work pretty darn well out of the box. It's often the splat books that can break a game system.I can easily understanding a rookie DM feeling overwhelmed with the game in front of her, let alone the game in front of her plus a bunch of other stuff.See, this is where I think some of the disconnect lies. As a player, I bend over backwards to make things as easy as possible for a brand new DM (we have a brand new DM in our current campaign). I do not try to argue for me to play a PC that the DM is uncomfortable with. I also don't say, "Well, the DM has to learn 5 PC classes anyway, it might as well be 3 from the core book and 2 from these other books". Who knows what other additional rules and baggage comes along with a PC class out of a splat book?Sorry, this will be one more area where you and I disagree (big surprise <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/worried.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":-S" title="Uhm    :-S" data-shortname=":-S" />). Players should be helping new DMs, not hindering them. JMO.</blockquote>