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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HardcoreDandDGirl" data-source="post: 6403322" data-attributes="member: 82746">I think we will just have to agree to disagree here. As I have said Many times over the years for our groups   3.5 was broken out of the box (PHB only) and only worked well when you used later supplements.  I agree, but one who had played before could just as easily choose to learn the 3-7 classes the players want to play, or restrict them to just the PHB and then still need to learn the 3-7 classes from that list.so do I, but again in the example given I don't think it is any easier to learn to run for a Ranger, Cleric, Druid, Wizard, Fighter then it is to learn to run for a Gunslinger, Witch, Cleric, Rogue, Fighter... if he was going to play core only homebrew, maybe... but running a pathfinder AP is pretty easy, they go out of there way to make it so the DM only needs the basics and the AP... the players can totally make it easy with any race/class that AP supports. In some cases using the class/race that fits the AP is better and easier then Core only... the problem is in the example NOTHING shows the player was hindering or helping, just wanting to play a character.</blockquote>