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Supplemental books: Why the compulsion to buy and use, but complain about it?
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<blockquote data-quote="Sadras" data-source="post: 6403536" data-attributes="member: 6688277"><p>Actually @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=22779" target="_blank">Hussar</a></u></strong></em> argues that the DM has to be fully flexible, no matter if the group has agreed to the theme or setting. And it appears that only the usual suspects ("DM-lovers") disagreed with that. So no, this thread is not only about that.</p><p>Your comments about the newbie DM did not help matters either - I noticed you didn't quote that part of my post.</p><p>And lets be honest here, even if the PCs agree to a setting, they still come asking for little extra's and what not.</p><p>It also doesn't help matters when people here confuse player/character agency with chargen limitations.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>According to you, at least part of the definition is a newbie DM who wont allow supplement books, despite him having communicated to the players that they feel intimidated by additional unfamiliar matierla and would like to first get a handle on DMing. </p><p>I disagree and say, the player was unreasonable.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>We have not come to the part where the DM is unreasonable. You have essentially only relayed the "proposal phase." Player are still engaging the DM about the campaign and setting. </p><p></p><p>PS: I would gladly play in any one of those campaigns <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I am so easy-going, plus in relation to what [MENTION=2525]Mistwell[/MENTION] said earlier, I generally throw my trust with the DM. I'm always for giving the DM an opportunity. Why burn him at chargen - makes no sense. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Actually I do not have a problem with players. If anything I was a poorer DM in my earlier days. I'm just advocating that it is unreasonable to chastise DMs for having limitations/restrictions on proposed settings/campaigns for thematic, backstory or whatever reasons.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sadras, post: 6403536, member: 6688277"] Actually @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=22779"]Hussar[/URL][/U][/B][/I] argues that the DM has to be fully flexible, no matter if the group has agreed to the theme or setting. And it appears that only the usual suspects ("DM-lovers") disagreed with that. So no, this thread is not only about that. Your comments about the newbie DM did not help matters either - I noticed you didn't quote that part of my post. And lets be honest here, even if the PCs agree to a setting, they still come asking for little extra's and what not. It also doesn't help matters when people here confuse player/character agency with chargen limitations. According to you, at least part of the definition is a newbie DM who wont allow supplement books, despite him having communicated to the players that they feel intimidated by additional unfamiliar matierla and would like to first get a handle on DMing. I disagree and say, the player was unreasonable. We have not come to the part where the DM is unreasonable. You have essentially only relayed the "proposal phase." Player are still engaging the DM about the campaign and setting. PS: I would gladly play in any one of those campaigns :) I am so easy-going, plus in relation to what [MENTION=2525]Mistwell[/MENTION] said earlier, I generally throw my trust with the DM. I'm always for giving the DM an opportunity. Why burn him at chargen - makes no sense. Actually I do not have a problem with players. If anything I was a poorer DM in my earlier days. I'm just advocating that it is unreasonable to chastise DMs for having limitations/restrictions on proposed settings/campaigns for thematic, backstory or whatever reasons. [/QUOTE]
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