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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 6404315" data-attributes="member: 9037"><p>You really reach don't you. The whole unhappiness started because he couldn't play a gunslinger. This player who I have known for 18 years is the type to allow his out of game life to intrude if he is unhappy in the game. If he is happy and having fun in the game then it doesn't. He derailed both campaigns because he was unhappy in the game. Gaming is his escape from the real world pressures so if the game is not going well he gets frustrated and angry. He also gets very attached to his characters so the DM asking for changes is something that will not go over easy for him.</p><p></p><p>Because of that if I DM I will never say yes to anything that I think might end up being an issue because I know that he won't take it well. In DnD he tends to be a powergamer and the interesting thing the few times he has DMed a DnD game he is very strict about sticking mostly to core no third party. He tends to be more of a do as I say not as I do. </p><p></p><p>So yes what his behavior does have very much to do with the conversation. </p><p></p><p>Tell me how not being willing to allow the kitchen sink in your game equates to not trusting your players? I find it very telling that you have this issue of players not being trusted but you don't seem to think it should work the same way for DMs shouldn't players trust their DMs and trust that the DM is trying their best to run a game that is fun for everyone?</p><p></p><p>Hussar you must only know perfect people lucky you. Can K sometimes behave like a jerk in some games why yes he can but it is not in every single game. He does better with some DMs than others. But because of certain things he does a DM has to handle him differently than a more laid back player. </p><p></p><p>And yes he is a lot more fun to be around when he gets to play exactly what he wants. When he is happy in the game the jerk behavior does not rear its head nearly as often and when it does it is because he has issues with playstyles different from his. </p><p></p><p>Holy crap you really are being combative here. Of course it includes the DM and I think you damn well know that. Tell me when I ever said in any post I have ever made here that I think that the DM should be treated like a god and be allowed to act like petty dictator? </p><p></p><p>There is a huge difference between saying in this campaign core only and the DM having the final say when it comes to a rule decision and being allowed to run rough shod over the group. The more I read the more I think you have had such bad luck as a player with bad DMs that you lack the capacity to give any of them the benefit of the doubt in these conversations. And before you say shouldn't players get the benefit of the doubt I have never told ant DM who comes here for help with a player issue to just kick the player out of the game and nor do I assume the player is being a jerk. I always advise the DM to talk with the player to see if the issues can be fixed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 6404315, member: 9037"] You really reach don't you. The whole unhappiness started because he couldn't play a gunslinger. This player who I have known for 18 years is the type to allow his out of game life to intrude if he is unhappy in the game. If he is happy and having fun in the game then it doesn't. He derailed both campaigns because he was unhappy in the game. Gaming is his escape from the real world pressures so if the game is not going well he gets frustrated and angry. He also gets very attached to his characters so the DM asking for changes is something that will not go over easy for him. Because of that if I DM I will never say yes to anything that I think might end up being an issue because I know that he won't take it well. In DnD he tends to be a powergamer and the interesting thing the few times he has DMed a DnD game he is very strict about sticking mostly to core no third party. He tends to be more of a do as I say not as I do. So yes what his behavior does have very much to do with the conversation. Tell me how not being willing to allow the kitchen sink in your game equates to not trusting your players? I find it very telling that you have this issue of players not being trusted but you don't seem to think it should work the same way for DMs shouldn't players trust their DMs and trust that the DM is trying their best to run a game that is fun for everyone? Hussar you must only know perfect people lucky you. Can K sometimes behave like a jerk in some games why yes he can but it is not in every single game. He does better with some DMs than others. But because of certain things he does a DM has to handle him differently than a more laid back player. And yes he is a lot more fun to be around when he gets to play exactly what he wants. When he is happy in the game the jerk behavior does not rear its head nearly as often and when it does it is because he has issues with playstyles different from his. Holy crap you really are being combative here. Of course it includes the DM and I think you damn well know that. Tell me when I ever said in any post I have ever made here that I think that the DM should be treated like a god and be allowed to act like petty dictator? There is a huge difference between saying in this campaign core only and the DM having the final say when it comes to a rule decision and being allowed to run rough shod over the group. The more I read the more I think you have had such bad luck as a player with bad DMs that you lack the capacity to give any of them the benefit of the doubt in these conversations. And before you say shouldn't players get the benefit of the doubt I have never told ant DM who comes here for help with a player issue to just kick the player out of the game and nor do I assume the player is being a jerk. I always advise the DM to talk with the player to see if the issues can be fixed. [/QUOTE]
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